Would-be robber slain by Oak Lane druggist

[Richard G]

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/7428250.htm

Two armed robbers, against one man. Good guy won. Bad guy dead. How is that possible???

 

[geni]

And the next set of armed robbers will be just slightly too fast and we will be cleaning up a dead pharmacist.

Now would you mind finding out the difference between anicdote a proof please.

 

[CFLarsen]

What is your point?

This is "justifiable"?

Want me to drag out the statistics that far more people are killed by "friendly fire", by guns in the home?

Or do you prefer only to look at sensational night news stories?

Hey, just let me know!

 

[Ralph]

What is your point?

This is "justifiable"?

Want me to drag out the statistics that far more people are killed by "friendly fire", by guns in the home?

Or do you prefer only to look at sensational night news stories?

Hey, just let me know!

I'm sure that if you ever find yourself on the wrong end of a gun......doing a statistical analysis will be your #1 priority at the moment.

A number of years ago some states made some changes in the laws regarding the prosecution of people who KILL A PHARMACIST
during a hold-up.

Some law-makers felt this getting to be an all-to-common occurence and no----they weren't killed because they tried to defend themselves with a gun.

They were just killed because thugs with guns.....just kill people sometimes even though it's not "rational" for them to do so.

Are you arguing the man shouldn't have defended himself becaause one particular set of "stats" said he shouldn't?

 

[CFLarsen]

Are you arguing the man shouldn't have defended himself becaause one particular set of "stats" said he shouldn't?

No, I am arguing that the mere fact of having a lot of guns around increases the risk of being shot.

 

[Richard G]

And the next set of armed robbers will be just slightly too fast and we will be cleaning up a dead pharmacist.

And there you have it. A chronic defeatists.

 

[xouper]

CFLarsen: What is your point?

How many times has Richard posted news items like this and you haven't figured out what his point is yet?

This is "justifiable"?

Are you asking if the shooting was justifiable? In my opinion, based on the limited information available in the story, such self defense is justifiable.

Want me to drag out the statistics that far more people are killed by "friendly fire", by guns in the home?

Why bother - we've seen them all already. Also, they are not relevant to the situation in the above news item. But if you have something new, then sure, post it if you like.

Or do you prefer only to look at sensational night news stories?

That's a loaded question, unbecoming of someone whose critical thinking skills I generally admire.

Regardless, I appreciate that Richard posts news items about people who have used a firearm to successfully defend themselves against the bad guys.

Hey, just let me know!

Just did. And you're welcome.

 

[Richard G]

Heres another fast robber that wasn't so fast.

Would-be robber slain by intended victim
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/clayton/1203/03shooting.html

A suspected armed robber was shot and killed by his intended victim in Clayton County, police said Wednesday.

 

[American]

Guns are good, you convinced me.



My favorite story is these 3 guys who tried to rob a gun shop by grabbing the shop owner's gun. They ordered him in the bathroom and were about to execute him before they fled. Well the gun they took from him had a trick trigger mechanism (you need to squeeze the handle to fire). The dumb punk tried desperately to kill the owner, while the owner had just grabbed a gun he had hidden under the sink. He wasted the sh!theads, shot them up like Scarface.

Good riddance. That's a scene they won't show on the news, but I'd love to see it anyway.

 

[xouper]

CFLarsen: I am arguing that the mere fact of having a lot of guns around increases the risk of being shot.

And an excellent fact it is too. I would hope that more criminals would keep that fact in mind before they try robbing people.

 

[Richard G]

Doh! Found another one.
CCW Holder stops robbery at ATM
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/stories/wcnc-120203-ds-suspectcreditunion.622eb8a9.html

You have to register for the story, so I'll copy it here:


05:50 PM EST on Tuesday, December 2, 2003
BY NICOLE ALLSHOUSE / 6NEWS
Just before lunchtime Tuesday a man tried to rob two people at a west Charlotte ATM. According to police, a customer was at an ATM machine at the State Employees Credit Union on Freedom Drive and was approached by a man who said he needed money. The customer told the man to 'take a hike.'

"A guy comes up and asks me for money. I tell him I don't have any. Then I go to the ATM and the man jumps in my car,” explained Reggie Blackmon, victim. “I go back to my car and ask him to leave. He shakes his pocket like he has a gun."

Blackmon then walked into the bank and called police.

While Blackmon was inside the bank, the suspect approached customer Hazel Forman. "I walked up to the ATM and a guy jumped out of a vehicle and said give me your money," Forman said.

She gave the suspect $60 and he also took her keys. Forman then followed the man to her car. "By this time I saw he didn't have gun because his jacket was open and he didn't have a shirt on underneath,” Forman said. “So I grabbed him around the neck and he wrestled around."

A witness in the parking lot said he heard Forman yelling for help. The witness, who did not want to be identified, pulled out a gun and ordered the suspect to freeze. "That didn't even faze the man much,” the witness said. “He started to walk away. He put his hand in his pocket and turned back around. That's when I shot at him. I didn't know if he was going to shoot so I shot for his leg."

The man missed. He then followed the suspect in his own vehicle until police arrived. Police said the witness will not be charged with firing his weapon because they say he was acting in self defense and as a Good Samaritan.

The robber appeared to be under the influence of a narcotic or alcohol at the time of his arrest, police said. Blackmon got his SUV back and Forman got her money and keys returned to her after the suspect was arrested.

Police warn people who use ATMs to be wary during daylight hours, not just at night.

 

[Richard G]

Found another one!!
Store owner fights back, shooting alleged would-be robbers
(or....One woman fights off 3 men)
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/120203_local_storerob.html

The robber carjacked someone to get to the hospital after being shot. So I guess you could say guns cause carjackings in this case.

 

[CFLarsen]

xouper,

Thanks for your input. You got any data?

Richard G,

The plural of "anecdote" is not data.

 

[geni]

He put his hand in his pocket and turned back around. That's when I shot at him. I didn't know if he was going to shoot so I shot for his leg.

Great and if the guy had hit with his shot we could have a dead body (ok not likly but posible).

Now when are you going to stop posting like a homeopath? (ie plenty of anicdotes but smeg all real proof). In each one of these cases there are senarios where no one uses a gun and no one gets hurt.

 

[NightG1]

Two armed robbers, against one man. Good guy won. Bad guy dead. How is that possible???

Woman and daughter murdered by ex-boyfriend

 

[BTox]

Now when are you going to stop posting like a homeopath? (ie plenty of anicdotes but smeg all real proof). In each one of these cases there are senarios where no one uses a gun and no one gets hurt.

Difference is the homeopath's anecdotes (btw, not anicdote) are false (i.e. the person, assuming he really got better, did not recover/improve due to the remedy), whereas these are true (i.e. a good guy really did defend him/herself against a bad guy).

 

[xouper]

CFLarsen: The plural of "anecdote" is not data.

For many questions this is true, but not when the question is "Has anyone ever successfully used a firearm in self defense?"

 

[geni]

Difference is the homeopath's anecdotes (btw, not anicdote) are false (i.e. the person, assuming he really got better, did not recover/improve due to the remedy), whereas these are true (i.e. a good guy really did defend him/herself against a bad guy).

Person survived/got better due to guns/homeopathy.

In none of these cases can you prove that if the person had not used a gun they would been killed. You can't prove that the gun was required for the person to defend themselves against the bad guy.

(Yes I know I focasing in the word due but there are people who have taken homeopathic remedies and got better)

Since a a double blind trial could be a bit difficult to do in this case I suppose we are going to have to settle for statistics.

 

[corplinx]

For many questions this is true, but not when the question is "Has anyone ever successfully used a firearm in self defense?"

Not at all, the chance of surviving an attempted robbery is much higher for people who carry guns.

The data is out there, we can't help it if people ignore it.

 

[geni]

Not at all, the chance of surviving an attempted robbery is much higher for people who carry guns.

The data is out there, we can't help it if people ignore it.

And how are the chances of being on the end of an armed robery affected by different gun control measures? Is there any variance acording to age? How about other measeres such as bullet proof screens?(come on lets include all the data)