Woodmorappe proving the Ark is possible.

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AvalonXQ

The Woodmorappe book has arrived; I'm looking forward to see what it says. Feel free to ask me on some other thread or by PM if you're interested.

Do you agree with this?


Food in the form of hay, dried fruit, dried meat, and dried fish occupied up to 12% of the ark volume. Most of the food was hay, compressed or possibly pelletized to take up less space.

Drinking water took up about 10% of the ark volume. This could have been less if rain water was also collected from the roof.

 

[AvalonXQ]

Hey, good deal.

I'll let you know what I think when I've seen Woodmorappe's figures.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Does it cover the massive amounts of urine and feces and how noah dealt with it?

Or how he kept the predators from eating the smaller animals?

 

[AvalonXQ]

Does it cover the massive amounts of urine and feces and how noah dealt with it?

Or how he kept the predators from eating the smaller animals?

It does. Individual cages; a waste chute.

 

[DC]

i wonder where he got the Cangoroos from.

 

[wakawakawaka]

how did the polar bears get there and how did they survive the jorney with out air condtioning, or did they evolve from brown bears AFTER the flood with magical super-duper ultra evolution

 

[AvalonXQ]

I think they evolved after. I'll see what he says.

 

[DC]

I think they evolved after. I'll see what he says.

oh cool, that hypothesis makes it possible to make predicitons, like the transitional fossils in pretty new layers of earth.

 

[Puppycow]

I hear that the Ark Experience theme park in Kentucky is finding out that it isn't so easy.

They have funding problems, and they had to push back the start of construction until 2014 or later.
The theme park Ark doesn't even have to be seaworthy of course, but the "real" one did.
They plan to use four teams of Amish carpenters to build it (not sure how many men that is total, but at least a dozen) but Noah supposedly built it by himself.

I just hope they don't try to fill it with real animals, because that would be cruel.

 

[Biscuit]

Exactly how many species existed at that time? Well I guess roughly will do.

Did he take all the flora as well or is all that post flood?

Sorry I never gave much thought to the realities of the bible as I assumed they were fables.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

They plan to use four teams of Amish carpenters to build it (not sure how many men that is total, but at least a dozen) but Noah supposedly built it by himself.

Sure, but you can pay them in oatmeal, scrapple and beard wax.

 

[Quad4_72]

Taking the story of the arc as literal is EXTREMELY silly. I would expect it from children, but from adults? At some point some people just need to grow up.

 

[AvalonXQ]

They plan to use four teams of Amish carpenters to build it (not sure how many men that is total, but at least a dozen) but Noah supposedly built it by himself..

Noah took 120 years. I have a feeling the theme park wants it done more quickly.

 

[gnome]

The silliest thing about the Ark story for me is not even how tricky it would be to house so many animals on a boat. You have a God that is supposedly all-powerful, and a flood of water raining from the sky is the best way he can think of to cleanse the world? I have a hard time feeling for God's great compassion for the animals when he could simply have poofed all the wicked people out of existence, and left everything else unharmed.

This isn't a flaw in Christianity, it is a flaw in taking every word in the bible as the literal truth, with no allowance for parable. At least for me, trying to take it literally tends to diminish my impression of God to a rather limited entity...

 

[A'isha]

This isn't a flaw in Christianity, it is a flaw in taking every word in the bible as the literal truth, with no allowance for parable.

This is pretty much what I came here to post.

 

[CplFerro]

The silliest thing about the Ark story for me is not even how tricky it would be to house so many animals on a boat. You have a God that is supposedly all-powerful, and a flood of water raining from the sky is the best way he can think of to cleanse the world? I have a hard time feeling for God's great compassion for the animals when he could simply have poofed all the wicked people out of existence, and left everything else unharmed.

This isn't a flaw in Christianity, it is a flaw in taking every word in the bible as the literal truth, with no allowance for parable. At least for me, trying to take it literally tends to diminish my impression of God to a rather limited entity...

Dear gnome,

(1) Because God is a God of emotion and symbolism. "Poofing" things carries very little symbolic weight. The tangible forces of nature being commanded by God creates an emotional effect that would otherwise be absent.

(2) What would the parable possibly mean, if it were truly just a parable?

Cpl Ferro

 

[12AX7]

Taking the story of the arc as literal is EXTREMELY silly. I would expect it from children, but from adults? At some point some people just need to grow up.

Nah, not when they are wearing these.

 

[A'isha]

(2) What would the parable possibly mean, if it were truly just a parable?

"And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth." (Genesis 9:8-16)

 

[Modified]

The minimum viable population to prevent extinction due to inbreeding for most species is far higher than two. The Ark would have needed to carry hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of large mammals alone.

 

[ddt]

Taking the story of the arc as literal is EXTREMELY silly. I would expect it from children, but from adults? At some point some people just need to grow up.

Shhh. This thread is basically a sequel on a previous one, where AvalonXQ announced he'd stop participating in the discussion:

Once this or any thread becomes a personal forum on my honesty or any other judgement of me as a person, I don't hesitate to drop it.

This one has. I'm done here.

The Woodmorappe book has arrived; I'm looking forward to see what it says. Feel free to ask me on some other thread or by PM if you're interested.

Try not to give an excuse to drop this thread as well.