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Wim the Woo is back

Badly Shaved Monkey

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Since things have got a little quiet here, I've been reading at Hpathy again. Wim reappeared a while ago.

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=2963&PN=1&TPN=1

Here's a nice thread where Wim continues his polypharmaceutical approach to prescribing, which is a big no-no to homeopaths.

Another homeopath questions how he can possibly treat for a problem that hasn't happened yet. Good point. Wim pretends he hasn't heard.

Best of all is where the other homeopath claims that Arnica caused a horse to suffer a tendon injury that led to its euthanasia. Oops, says Wim, it would be hard to be sure that the remedy was the real cause of the problem. Funny he's so quick to claim the credit when things head in the right direction.
 
That's an interesting wrinkle I hadn't thought of! I've quite often heard homoeopaths recommend giving something prophylactically or in anticipation of a problem, including the "take arnica before surgery" one, and not really considered the question of proving the remedy. Neither had Wim, it seems!
Funny that Arnica would cause extreme fatigue in such a way in people,since Arnica is often used for restoring fatigue problems in muscles ????
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Er, what's funny about that? Isn't that the very basis of your entire theory?

He just witters a bit about, well, I haven't heard of that happening and anyway animals are different, and anyway I just swallow unthinkingly anything my deceased or superannuated veterinary gurus have written.

It's people like Wim that make me most angry about our deluded colleagues and the legitimacy they appear to give to this nonsense. Why do you think the veterinary establishment closes ranks in decence of the homoeopaths?

Rolfe.
 
http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=3033&PN=1

Here's another neat one. Asked about a malignant tumour, now why shouldn't homeopathy be able to claim a brilliant cure, they all get a bit coy and Dr. B. quotes some real facts from a website.

I know we are appalled when they claim to treat serious diseases, but it must be some sort of cowardly doublethink that means they run for cover in situations like this yet are very keen to take credit for an upturn in vague psychosomatic conditions.
 
Don't you just love it! Wim, who has to get his opinionated oar into everything, makes the first post simply saying that he hasn't a clue. Electrons have died for this? Then Ricky makes it obvious she has even less of a clue, mixing up the condition with something else with a similar name.

Then as you said, Dr. B. quotes some real medical facts, but completely sidesteps the question as to whether homoeopathy can treat this deadly disease. And then, if not why not?

If they would just preface everything with "we only deal with trivial and self-limiting ailments", it would all be a lot more ethical.

Mind you, most of what I know about that particular form of galloping death is that it's what Buffy the Vampire Slayer's mother died of. (Neat plotting. She seemed to have recovered ridiculously quickly and completely, going out on a date without a care in the world fairly soon after major brain surgery, and I'm gibbering at the screen that it's a complete betrayal of people who've really struggled with brain tumours and their consequences, and while I'm still gibbering, she dropped down dead. Kudos, Whedon.)

Rolfe.
 
Badly Shaved Monkey said:
Here's another neat one. Asked about a malignant tumour, now why shouldn't homeopathy be able to claim a brilliant cure, they all get a bit coy and Dr. B. quotes some real facts from a website.
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Actually, look at the OP of that thread.
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Hi,

Anyone know, is there any medicine/cure for GBM (Glioblastma Multiforme) Grade IV Brain Tumor?
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Joined 11th May, made one post (this one) on that day. I'm a bit suspicious that this is either someone who has themselves just been diagnosed with GBM, or has a close relative who has just been diagnosed.

It's just so sad that when desperate people turn to these quacks looking for help, all they get are shrugs of the shoulders (Wim), total lack of understanding of the nature of the problem (Ricky) and a cold, unfeeling recitation of the real (and extremely depressing) medical facts (Dr. B.).

Would it kill them to figure it out and offer a bit of sympathy and understanding?

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
Actually, look at the OP of that thread.Joined 11th May, made one post (this one) on that day. I'm a bit suspicious that this is either someone who has themselves just been diagnosed with GBM, or has a close relative who has just been diagnosed.
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I thought the same as you. It does look like they are running a mile from a real person's problem.

That is good, in part, because their magic remedies offer nothing useful, but lacking any real medical ability these 'carers' can't even discuss the real care of the patient outside the narrow and probably futile issue of 'cure'. Once again they are revealed as being worse than real medics on precisely the territory of empathy and care at which they claim to excel.
 
Rolfe said:
Mind you, most of what I know about that particular form of galloping death is that it's what Buffy the Vampire Slayer's mother died of. (Neat plotting. She seemed to have recovered ridiculously quickly and completely, going out on a date without a care in the world fairly soon after major brain surgery, and I'm gibbering at the screen that it's a complete betrayal of people who've really struggled with brain tumours and their consequences, and while I'm still gibbering, she dropped down dead. Kudos, Whedon.)

Rolfe.
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Off topic, but the woman who played Joyce is now on a TV advertisement for a headache remedy. Every time I see it, I think of the scene where Buffy comes home to find her mother dead on the sofa. Makes me not want to buy that product.

Back on topic, sort of, I belong to a cat related forum and a lot of the members are big on giving homeopathy to their cats, especially Bach flower remedies. One of these days, I am going to post a long rant about homeopathy, I just know it.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Back on topic, sort of, I belong to a cat related forum and a lot of the members are big on giving homeopathy to their cats, especially Bach flower remedies. One of these days, I am going to post a long rant about homeopathy, I just know it.
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And when you do, you will post the link, right?

I was in the chemist's shop on Saturday, queueing up for a bottle of cough medicine, and facing me where I stood was a big warm fluffy advert for "Bach Rescue Remedy". I had a bit of a rant to the girl who served me, along the lines of them being a reputable and respected pharmacy so why were the promoting this quackery, but she just looked at me as if I had two heads or something.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
And when you do, you will post the link, right?

I was in the chemist's shop on Saturday, queueing up for a bottle of cough medicine, and facing me where I stood was a big warm fluffy advert for "Bach Rescue Remedy". I had a bit of a rant to the girl who served me, along the lines of them being a reputable and respected pharmacy so why were the promoting this quackery, but she just looked at me as if I had two heads or something.

Rolfe.
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Oh, I will.

What is Bach flower remedy suppose to cure? I think the people on this board are using it for stress relief, i.e., introducting a new cat to an existing cat.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
What is Bach flower remedy suppose to cure? I think the people on this board are using it for stress relief, i.e., introducting a new cat to an existing cat.
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It's "Bach Flower Remedies". It's a sort of subset of homoeopathy designed by a guy called Bach (Edward, I think), who "discovered" all these wonderful properties of tiny (well, homoeopathic) amounts of squished-up flowers - all nice pretty flowers with nice pretty names which happened to grow near his home. If I remember correctly, he got into that after a different system which he was interested in but which used less attractive basic ingredients failed really to take off.

There are probably several proponent sites explaining it to be found on Google. It's remarkably similar in general terms to Kumar's precious Tissue Salts Remedies, just using flowers instead of salts.

Rolfe.
 
On this other forum I read, Bach's rescue remedy is the homeopathic remedy of choice apparently for calming alpha male acting out and excessive grooming.

t seems to help keep the stress level lower on some cats, and not on others. It's not a miracle product and will not make a cat jump from totally terrified to fully confident, but it might keep the extremes less extremes.
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http://forums.about.com/ab-cats/messages/?msg=33314.1


I like how it works on some cats but not others...
 
They'd be better to try Feliway. That sounds a bit woo-ish, but it has some serious positive evidence.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
They'd be better to try Feliway. That sounds a bit woo-ish, but it has some serious positive evidence.

Rolfe.
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I've tried Feliway. It worked pretty well, but I would have needed to use a diffuser in every room. The remodeling we have done over the last year freaked the cats out pretty bad. But it's almost over.
 
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