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Nearly 200 names linked to Jeffrey Epstein expected to be made public

Nearly 200 names connected to the Jeffrey Epstein-Ghislaine Maxwell sex trafficking conspiracy could be released by a New York judge as soon as Tuesday, exposing or confirming the identities of dozens of associates of the disgraced financier that until now have only been known as John and Jane Does in court papers.
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This should be interesting . . . very interesting. :eek:

merged a lot of these posts from the Maxwell thread to this dedicated thread started afterwards
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
Nearly 200 names linked to Jeffrey Epstein expected to be made public



This should be interesting . . . very interesting. :eek:
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Interesting alright, but we need to keep in mind this is a list of people whose names are contained in court documents related to the case... it is NOT the contents of Ghislaine Maxwell's "Little Black Book". That has not been released, and it is never likely to be. The only possibility I see for that to ever be released is at some time during her appeal. If she looks like losing it, she may leverage the book against a sentence reduction. I rate this "possible, but unlikely".

We should also keep these three facts in mind...

1. It will be a list of names with little or no context.
We might find the name of a well known Senator on the list, but the mere fact of being on the list will not tell us why he/she is on it, and will not tell us anything about how close they were to Epstein or Maxwell. For example, if they were a guest at a resort, was it just once at one resort or many times at various resorts? The list will not answer that question.

2. Most of the people on that list will be unknown to the general public.
This is because they are service people or employees at his resorts such as building managers and staff, chefs & waiters doormen etc, as well as pilots and other flight crew, drivers and people who were guests at one of his resorts and/or hotels. In other words, people who knew, worked for, or were in some other way associated with Epstein, but were not necessarily involved in any of Epstein's or Maxwell's crimes. Some of the names could even be other victims.

3. The list will not be complete
Everyone on that list was given the opportunity to have their names suppressed before release, and those who did were mostly successful in doing so. Therefore, most, if not all of the names on the list that will be released are likely to be those with nothing to hide... and the names of those who do have something to hide will not be on the list when it is released.
 
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If I were an unwitting employee at one of Epstein's resorts, named in court, I would absolutely want my name suppressed before the release of this list.

I can't imagine anyone on that list having "nothing to hide". Even if they did nothing wrong, they can't possibly think it's a good idea to put their name and their association with Epstein in front of the court of public opinion. That's just a good way to get a lynch mob on their front porch.
 
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smartcooky said:
Interesting alright, but we need to keep in mind this is a list of people whose names are contained in court documents related to the case... it is NOT the contents of Ghislaine Maxwell's "Little Black Book". That has not been released, and it is never likely to be. The only possibility I see for that to ever be released is at some time during her appeal. If she looks like losing it, she may leverage the book against a sentence reduction. I rate this "possible, but unlikely".

We should also keep these three facts in mind...

1. It will be a list of names with little or no context.
We might find the name of a well known Senator on the list, but the mere fact of being on the list will not tell us why he/she is on it, and will not tell us anything about how close they were to Epstein or Maxwell. For example, if they were a guest at a resort, was it just once at one resort or many times at various resorts? The list will not answer that question.

2. Most of the people on that list will be unknown to the general public.
This is because they are service people or employees at his resorts such as building managers and staff, chefs & waiters doormen etc, as well as pilots and other flight crew, drivers and people who were guests at one of his resorts and/or hotels. In other words, people who knew, worked for, or were in some other way associated with Epstein, but were not necessarily involved in any of Epstein's or Maxwell's crimes. Some of the names could even be other victims.

3. The list will not be complete
Everyone on that list was given the opportunity to have their names suppressed before release, and those who did were mostly successful in doing so. Therefore, most, if not all of the names on the list that will be released are likely to be those with nothing to hide... and the names of those who do have something to hide will not be on the list when it is released.
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Donald Trump and Bill Clinton will be on the list, and MAGAts will tell us how this is bad for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.
 
pgwenthold said:
Donald Trump and Bill Clinton will be on the list, and MAGAts will tell us how this is bad for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.
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But not Jimmy Kimmel.

Jimmy Kimmel Threatens to Sue Aaron Rodgers for Suggesting He Was a Jeffrey Epstein Associate

Dear *******: for the record, I’ve not met, flown with, visited, or had any contact whatsoever with Epstein, nor will you find my name on any “list” other than the clearly-phony nonsense that soft-brained wackos like yourself can’t seem to distinguish from reality. Your reckless words put my family in danger. Keep it up and we will debate the facts further in court.
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Apparently.

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Well the list is out.

As I predicted, a few famous names, most of whom we already knew and a couple of mild surprises. Also some victims and those who treated and advocated for them. The rest are a bunch of Neville and Nellie Nobodies.

The List
- Andrew Albert Christian Edwards, Prince Andrew
-James Michael Austrich
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<SNIP> for rule 4.
The list is available in many places online.



The biggest nothingburger so far this decade!
 
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smartcooky said:
Well the list is out.

As I predicted, a few famous names, most of whom we already knew and a couple of mild surprises. Also some victims and those who treated and advocated for them. The rest are a bunch of Neville and Nellie Nobodies.

The List
- Andrew Albert Christian Edwards, Prince Andrew
-James Michael Austrich
-Eva Andersson
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<SNIP> for rule 4.
The list is available in many places online.



The biggest nothingburger so far this decade!
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I don't know, I imagine there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth over the very idea Trump's name is included on the pervert list.
 
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It's just a list of people Epstein knew.
He was an influential millionaire who knew a lot of influential people.
Because someone knew him doesn't mean anything.
Lots of jumping to conclusions.
 
No doubt Jeffrey Epstein was a sleazebag of major proportions. And so were some of his associates. But just because some powerful people were his associates does not mean they took advantage of young women/girls. It doesn't mean they didn't either.

But there is something terribly wrong with assuming the worst of Trump, Clinton, Giuliani or Dershowitz because they may have flown on his plane or did business with Epstein.

This is the political equivalent of a Rorschach test. People will see what they want to see.

I have moved this to Social Issues as one name at least is not American

And the topic seems sufficiently different from the Ghislaine Maxwell thread

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I think it says more about our society and government in general than about any specific individual. The fact that Epstein was able to do this and either involve so many famous and powerful people, or at least conceal it from them while they rode around with him is disturbing.
 
Andy_Ross said:
It's just a list of people Epstein knew.
He was an influential millionaire who knew a lot of influential people.
Because someone knew him doesn't mean anything.
Lots of jumping to conclusions.
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Good point, and it raises a question: Who is more likely to have known what Epstein was doing with young girls?
-Juan and Maria Alessi, husband and wife working at Epstain’s home in Florida​
or
-Bill Clinton​
?
 
I recently read a novel, Everybody Knows, by Jordan Harper. He's a Hollywood TV writer and producer when he's not writing modern noir stories. The thesis of this novel, expressed in the title, is that everyone knows that the people in power in Hollywood are perpetrating heinous abuses on the people not in power (including, centrally in this novel, the recruiting, grooming, and brokering of young girls for sex). Everybody in the industry knows it's happening, even the ones who aren't involved or implicated. Everybody knows, nobody talks.

But it's fiction, so no matter how true it rings, we probably shouldn't suspect anything similar of the rich and powerful cabals that govern our world - even though many of them not only knew but were themselves involved. Right? Right? /s

ETA: I don't suspect Trump, for the simple reason that if Trump knew he would have blabbed in a White House press conference. Also, prior to his 2016 win, he probably didn't rate as eligible for Epstein's circle, and after the election was too much of a buffoon to be invited to join.
 
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If anyone on the list was guilty of anything, there would be a lot more fire than smoke and hot air on the internet.
 
theprestige said:
I recently read a novel, Everybody Knows, by Jordan Harper. He's a Hollywood TV writer and producer when he's not writing modern noir stories. The thesis of this novel, expressed in the title, is that everyone knows that the people in power in Hollywood are perpetrating heinous abuses on the people not in power (including, centrally in this novel, the recruiting, grooming, and brokering of young girls for sex). Everybody in the industry knows it's happening, even the ones who aren't involved or implicated. Everybody knows, nobody talks.

But it's fiction, so no matter how true it rings, we probably shouldn't suspect anything similar of the rich and powerful cabals that govern our world - even though many of them not only knew but were themselves involved. Right? Right? /s

ETA: I don't suspect Trump, for the simple reason that if Trump knew he would have blabbed in a White House press conference. Also, prior to his 2016 win, he probably didn't rate as eligible for Epstein's circle, and after the election was too much of a buffoon to be invited to join.
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Pizzagate is now a book? God I hate fiction that steals from conspiracy theories.

You give that credence? There have been a few examples among people in local or federal politics, but you think it's possible ALL politicians except Trump are pedophiles? That's crazy talk.
 
acbytesla said:
No doubt Jeffrey Epstein was a sleazebag of major proportions. And so were some of his associates. But just because some of these powerful people were his associates does not mean they took advantage of young women/girls. It doesn't mean they didn't either.

But there is something terribly wrong with assuming the worst of Trump, Clinton, Giuliani or Dershowitz because they may have flown on his plane or did business with Epstein.
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True, it is quite likely that at least some of the people associated with Epstein were oblivious to his sleazebagary, and/or did not partake in any of his offered "activities", and that we should be skeptical until we see more evidence.

I think Trump is a little different than most people however, based on his public statements about how "Epstein liked them young" implies a familiarity with what was happening.
 
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