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Why the conspiracies around environmentalism?

Travis

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Again and again we see that so many seem to think that the environmentalist cause is actually about sowing death or destruction. From chemtrailers who think depopulation is a thing to the anti Agenda 21 crowd.

Take this lady who recently spoke at the Vatican.

According to Madise, Sachs and his ilk push policy initiatives at the U.N. “that are radically antagonistic to the right to life from conception to natural death, to the rights and dignity of the family.”


Madise also has criticisms for the Holy See and U.S. President Barack Obama. The former, she says, has sold out to pursuers of a “global population-control agenda.” “Pope Francis,” Madise laments, believes “humanity and mankind are behind of 99 percent of the climate change.”


“Environmental issues in international negotiations are not about planting trees,” Madise warns her audience, but about “killing babies, the infirm and the elderly.”
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http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/ant...vatican-to-impose-global-un-culture-of-death/

I've been around a lot of environmentalists. A lot. Never have I encountered anyone that desired killing babies, the infirm or the elderly. Actually preserving quality of life was at the fore. Keeping people alive was the agenda. I have also yet to encounter a single policy proposal from any environmental group that would lead to those situations. No culling. No mass baby slaughter. No genocide of the elderly.

So...what gives? How is it that someone looks at something so harmless and potentially awesome like Agenda 21 and see such malice? How does someone hear "reduce your footprint" and think it means people need to be murdered?
 
Travis said:
Again and again we see that so many seem to think that the environmentalist cause is actually about sowing death or destruction. From chemtrailers who think depopulation is a thing to the anti Agenda 21 crowd.

Take this lady who recently spoke at the Vatican.



http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/ant...vatican-to-impose-global-un-culture-of-death/

I've been around a lot of environmentalists. A lot. Never have I encountered anyone that desired killing babies, the infirm or the elderly. Actually preserving quality of life was at the fore. Keeping people alive was the agenda. I have also yet to encounter a single policy proposal from any environmental group that would lead to those situations. No culling. No mass baby slaughter. No genocide of the elderly.

So...what gives? How is it that someone looks at something so harmless and potentially awesome like Agenda 21 and see such malice? How does someone hear "reduce your footprint" and think it means people need to be murdered?
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A bit more information on the subject

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Depopulation_conspiracy_theory
 
The hysterical mouth-frothing at Agenda 21 gives them the fear because the responses to global issues like overpopulation and climate change require a co-ordinated global response and that means (dan-dan-daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa) ONE WORLD GLOBAL ALIEN LIZARD GOVERNMENT. This is, of course, what every conspiracy is nudging the world towards because our all powerful overlords want us to march willingly into the ovens - saves a lot of fuss.

It's just another facet of their deluded paranoia.

I was taught about Agenda 21 at University over 25 years ago - hasn't had much impact yet.
 
threadworm said:
The hysterical mouth-frothing at Agenda 21 gives them the fear because the responses to global issues like overpopulation and climate change require a co-ordinated global response and that means (dan-dan-daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa) ONE WORLD GLOBAL ALIEN LIZARD GOVERNMENT. This is, of course, what every conspiracy is nudging the world towards because our all powerful overlords want us to march willingly into the ovens - saves a lot of fuss.

It's just another facet of their deluded paranoia.

I was taught about Agenda 21 at University over 25 years ago - hasn't had much impact yet.
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Predating its 1992 passing in the U.N.?
 
Jango said:
Predating its 1992 passing in the U.N.?
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The final text was the result of drafting, consultation, and negotiation, beginning in 1989 and culminating at the two-week conference.

It was discussed in a lot of venues prior.
 
Travis said:
So...what gives? How is it that someone looks at something so harmless and potentially awesome like Agenda 21 and see such malice? How does someone hear "reduce your footprint" and think it means people need to be murdered?
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The United Nations. A lot of our conspiracy fans are convinced the UN is the public face of the NWO and only exists to destroy the USA.
 
Hans said:
The final text was the result of drafting, consultation, and negotiation, beginning in 1989 and culminating at the two-week conference.

It was discussed in a lot of venues prior.
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Yep, that. I graduated with my first degree in 1989.
 
It seems to me that some of you can't distinguish between satire and truth.

Roger Waters said:

Have a good drown
As you go down
All alone
Dragged down by the stone

He said this was aimed at the British monarchy and their new world order.

He admitted that he was overindulging in the notion that the new world order-in his eyes was a Marxist Leninist take over that was a conspiracy involving the British and Americans.

He also said it was political satire outside the realm of possibility.

Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development is also the extreme of political satire.

I have the text of Michael Shaw assault on unalienable rights and individual liberty speech.

It is oblivious satire. He knows that so much of his speech is halfass recruitment for donations-aimed at such patrons who do not know the difference.

Easily seen here.
 
So the woman who thinks this is about killing babies isn't serious?
 
Travis said:
Again and again we see that so many seem to think that the environmentalist cause is actually about sowing death or destruction. From chemtrailers who think depopulation is a thing to the anti Agenda 21 crowd.

Take this lady who recently spoke at the Vatican.


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I've been around a lot of environmentalists. A lot. Never have I encountered anyone that desired killing babies, the infirm or the elderly. Actually preserving quality of life was at the fore. Keeping people alive was the agenda. I have also yet to encounter a single policy proposal from any environmental group that would lead to those situations. No culling. No mass baby slaughter. No genocide of the elderly.

So...what gives? How is it that someone looks at something so harmless and potentially awesome like Agenda 21 and see such malice? How does someone hear "reduce your footprint" and think it means people need to be murdered?
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Hello Travis,

I am new.

I will post an explanation once I have exceeded 15 posts.

Best Regards,

Snoop
 
threadworm said:
I was taught about Agenda 21 at University over 25 years ago - hasn't had much impact yet.
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Hello threadworm,

There is a very good reason that Agenda 21 has had little impact here in the United States.

It was only a SUGGESTION that member nations in the United Nations were PERMITTED, BUT NOT REQUIRED to adopt for themselves.

It was EFFECTIVELY REJECTED by the United States (Bush symbolically signed it, but because it was not a "treaty", it was not binding in the United States without a majority vote of Congress.).

As a result, it is NOT THE LAW in the United States, IS NOT IN FORCE in the United States and IS NOT ENFORCED anywhere in the United States.

As a result, it is completely irrelevant in the United States.

I will post more on this subject when I have completed my 15 initial posts.

All The Best,

Snoop
 
Forced depopulation is how authoritarians would solve environmental problems caused by overpopulation.
 
spooky24 said:
It seems to me that some of you can't distinguish between satire and truth.

Roger Waters said:

Have a good drown
As you go down
All alone
Dragged down by the stone

He said this was aimed at the British monarchy and their new world order.

He admitted that he was overindulging in the notion that the new world order-in his eyes was a Marxist Leninist take over that was a conspiracy involving the British and Americans.

He also said it was political satire outside the realm of possibility.

Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development is also the extreme of political satire.

I have the text of Michael Shaw assault on unalienable rights and individual liberty speech.

It is oblivious satire. He knows that so much of his speech is halfass recruitment for donations-aimed at such patrons who do not know the difference.

Easily seen here.
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Hello Spooky24,

Whatever satire Roger Waters and others may intend by their Agenda21claims, there are people who make non-satirical claims about Agenda 21 with the intent to horrify and terrorize the public.

Debra Tavares is one example.

Best Regards,

Snoop
 
threadworm said:
The hysterical mouth-frothing at Agenda 21 gives them the fear because the responses to global issues like overpopulation and climate change require a co-ordinated global response and that means (dan-dan-daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa) ONE WORLD GLOBAL ALIEN LIZARD GOVERNMENT. This is, of course, what every conspiracy is nudging the world towards because our all powerful overlords want us to march willingly into the ovens - saves a lot of fuss.

It's just another facet of their deluded paranoia.

I was taught about Agenda 21 at University over 25 years ago - hasn't had much impact yet.
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I guess my college education bypassed this bit of information, or maybe I was too busy to deal with conspiracies while doing school work.;)
ETA: From further review of new threads I see I predate your college experience by a couple of decades.
 
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threadworm said:
The hysterical mouth-frothing at Agenda 21 gives them the fear because the responses to global issues like overpopulation and climate change require a co-ordinated global response and that means (dan-dan-daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa) ONE WORLD GLOBAL ALIEN LIZARD GOVERNMENT. This is, of course, what every conspiracy is nudging the world towards because our all powerful overlords want us to march willingly into the ovens - saves a lot of fuss.

It's just another facet of their deluded paranoia.

I was taught about Agenda 21 at University over 25 years ago - hasn't had much impact yet.
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threadworm,

I agree with your sentiments in the quote above.

Above, in another post, I indicated to you that I would post my explanation of the Agenda 21 Hoax here once I reached 15 posts.

But, I am being criticized for posting my explanation of the Agenda 21 Hoax in more than one location.

So, it appears that if you would like to read my work on the subject, you will have to find it on another thread.

My apologies for any inconvenience.

All The Best,

Snoop
 
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snoop:

If you're waiting to 15 to post a URL, you can post it now in a modified format and someone will repost it as a valid link for you, for example, typing the dots:

www dot google dot com

It's not against the rules; the 15 post rule is there specifically to prevent spam bots, not to prevent new members from posting information.
 
threadworm said:
The hysterical mouth-frothing at Agenda 21 gives them the fear because the responses to global issues like overpopulation and climate change require a co-ordinated global response and that means (dan-dan-daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa) ONE WORLD GLOBAL ALIEN LIZARD GOVERNMENT. This is, of course, what every conspiracy is nudging the world towards because our all powerful overlords want us to march willingly into the ovens - saves a lot of fuss.

It's just another facet of their deluded paranoia.

I was taught about Agenda 21 at University over 25 years ago - hasn't had much impact yet.
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ONE WORLD GLOBAL ALIEN LIZARD GOVERNMENT which is an anagram for ... GONDWANALAND!! That's what those fiends want us to go back to!!
 
I do believe that there is global warming, just view the ice caps several years apart. This seems to be correlated to when man stated burning fossil fuels from the iron age forward. However what I am with odds is that mankind is totally responsible for global warming, it might be just a natural cyclic environmental event or maybe a combination of both. To that end mankind's reduction in fossil fuels emissions may or may not be constructive. And I think that should be the debate, although it is not. I have seen both sides from my friends and associates. It will help of course(every little bit helps), but it may not reverse or even stabilize the current situation.
 
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