Why no divine revelation about microscopic life?

JoeTheJuggler

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I've been listening to an audio version of Dawkins' latest, The Magic of Reality, and he made a sort of parenthetical point that I had never heard before.

Myths and religions purport to explain a wide variety of phenomena: how the leopard got its spots, why humans speak many different languages, how plants and animals came to be, etc.

But they don't explain anything about microscopic life! Their all-knowing deity never bothered to reveal anything about bacteria, for example, or dust mites.

(The above is pretty much all paraphrase of what Dawkins wrote in this little section of the book. Sorry, I'm listening to it as audio, so I can't offer any exact quotes.)

I'm curious as to what sort of apologia will be offered.

Perhaps they'll argue that humans wouldn't have been able to understand the concept of little animals too small to see. (I would respond, why not? Once we had microscopes, the idea caught on easily enough. As a child, I was willing to accept the proposition even before I'd ever had a chance to look through a microscope myself.)

Maybe they'll argue that these things just weren't important. (I would respond by pointing to a number of silly "revelations" whose importance certainly pales in comparison to the importance of knowledge of bacteria. Stephen Jay Gould wrote about the "modal bacter" pointing out that the majority of life is very simple archaebacteria. Arguably, these things have had a more profound effect on the Earth than any other group of organisms. If God is an omniscient creator of all life, bacteria must be extremely important to him. They're certainly important to human health and livelihood.)

What else might they argue?

Obviously, my position is that the reason there was no divine revelation about microscopic animals is that there is no divinity, and all so-called "divine revelations" were just made up by humans. It's certainly the most parsimonious explanation.
 
Well, of course the Bible doesn't mention microscopic life! Who would have believed such an unlikely, improbable concept without evidence? Would you really just expect religious people to believe things they couldn't see just because a book told them they were there?

Laughable.

Besides, bacteria were all invented by scientists.
 
Of all the health advice in the Bible, there's nothing about something as useful as hand washing to prevent disease and while pork is banned, thoroughly cooking meat is not mandated.
 
Of all the health advice in the Bible, there's nothing about something as useful as hand washing to prevent disease and while pork is banned, thoroughly cooking meat is not mandated.

Meh. It's all in a good cause. How else will natural selection give us such fine immune defences?
 
Of all the health advice in the Bible, there's nothing about something as useful as hand washing to prevent disease and while pork is banned, thoroughly cooking meat is not mandated.

Or "Thou shall not dump thy bodily waste into the same stream from which thoust gets thine drinking water." Think of all the cholera that could have been avoided.

Steve S
 
"Lines on the Antiquity of Microbes"

Adam
Had 'em.

"Even Briefer Apologetical Excursus on the Lack of Mention of the Antiquity of Microbes in the Bible"

God
Odd.
 
Of all the health advice in the Bible, there's nothing about something as useful as hand washing to prevent disease and while pork is banned, thoroughly cooking meat is not mandated.

Actually, as I keep saying, on the contrary, we have Jesus himself ranting against those pesky Pharisees telling him to wash his hands (and according to one version, dishes) before eating from them, and proclaiming that what goes into your mouth is destroyed anyway and doesn't make you unclean. It's in at least two gospels.

And it's not the only place where Jesus is against much washing.

It's actually worse than not saying anything about it. It's actually saying not to. Not only it directly discouraged people from hygiene, but at various points in European history it even caused prohibitive taxes on soap for example, because, meh, if Jesus himself says you don't have to be clean, the only reason to want to be clean is the deadly sin of vanity.

If Jesus is God, or at least has SOME kind of divine knowledge, then he must know about not only bacteria, but also hookworms or tapeworms. Telling people NOT to do the basic hygiene stuff that could prevent such infections is just being an evil prick.
 
Or washing wounds with alcohol or at the very least, water than has been boiled and cooled.
 
"Lines on the Antiquity of Microbes"

Adam
Had 'em.

"Even Briefer Apologetical Excursus on the Lack of Mention of the Antiquity of Microbes in the Bible"

God
Odd.

God's odd

It's shorter than god works in mysterious way.
 
And the alcohol in wine is microbe “poop” and honey is bee vomit and the carbon dioxide that causes bread to rise is yeast farts, but none of these foods are unclean, someone missed something me thinks huuuuuummmmm.
 
Actually, no, the alcohol in wine (or indeed, beer, mead, etc) is produced by a yeast too.

But nevertheless, washing your hands is a damn good idea, and washing your dish before eating out of it again (Jesus rails against that too) is an even better idea. Not crapping near your water source even more so, yet no ancient god seems to ever mention that. Etc.

Even if most bacteria are harmless, there are some nasty ones out there. And there are even nastier worms that one can get (re)contaminated with from, say, crap or by not washing one's hands after scratching one's ass all night.

Just because SOME stuff isn't unclean, still doesn't make everything OK.

And a God who supposedly made it all, yet doesn't seem to know that, is still a mightily bogus God.
 
This reminds me of the "why doesn't God heal amputees" question.
How come none of the knowledge in the Bible was either beyond the people at the time (such as microbes), or outright wrong (the flat earth)? Why is a god who is not only almighty, but who created the world to begin with, be so ignorant or even misleading?
 
Obviously, my position is that the reason there was no divine revelation about microscopic animals is that there is no divinity, and all so-called "divine revelations" were just made up by humans. It's certainly the most parsimonious explanation.
I agree, but let's look at what might have happened if holy books had explained microbial life, even if by a lucky guess.

In that world, when science discovered microbes (perhaps propelled by clues in their holy book) it would be seen as confirmation of the book's Truth. Unfortunately, this would be used to bolster nonsense and immorality elsewhere in the book.

Some Muslims try to do this with the Quran. They point to, or exaggerate, scientific things its authors picked up from the Greeks, as a way to say that the whole book is good.
 
We're only beginning to glimpse the world of bacteria and how it interacts with our physiology. One day we may no longer sterilize as a practice, rather we may use "good' and "bad" bacteria in a biological relationship similar to the stuff we eat in yogurt for our guts only with everything from surgery to mood setting, shaping massive networks of microbial systems spanning the globe in a bacterial based technological biosphere. This is all hinted at in the bible but we are not advanced enough yet in our microbial expertise to make up the proper biblical interpretations.
 
Maybe god thought that the people at the time were too dumb to understand, and that is why the bible is such a load of tosh. I note that our resident believers are avoiding this thread.
 
Actually, as I keep saying, on the contrary, we have Jesus himself ranting against those pesky Pharisees telling him to wash his hands (and according to one version, dishes) before eating from them, and proclaiming that what goes into your mouth is destroyed anyway and doesn't make you unclean. It's in at least two gospels.

And it's not the only place where Jesus is against much washing.

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Really? Can you find the verses? Thanks in advance.
 

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