Why I am dropping Comcast as my ISP

Mark6

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For over a year Comcast has been my internet provider. I do not have a TV or cable or home phone -- it is Internet only. A little over month ago Comcast offered a special deal which added HBO GO to my Internet service for a few extra dollars. For a month I enjoyed the offerings of HBO online. Last week I was unable to access it. Here is the transcript of my chat with their "support":

user MARK has entered room

analyst May has entered room

May: Hello MARK_, Thank you for contacting Comcast Live Chat Support. My name is May. Please give me one moment to review your information.

May: It's a privilege to have you here on chat and I am looking forward to provide you excellent service! I hope you are having a great day! You can call me May. How can I help you today?

MARK_: My Issue: I added HBO GO to my account approximately a month ago but as of today I cannot access it and it doesn't appear on my services. Can we rectify this?

May: Hello Mark!

MARK_: This is for the internet-only HBO GO

May: I do understand you are not able to access the HBO, and would like to confirm if that includes in your package, is that correct?

MARK_: It is, yes. I added it approximately one month ago

MARK_: However now when I look at my account page, it does not list HBO GO and I cannot access it

May: I see.

May: I will be happy to check that out for you.

May: Please allow me 3 to 4 minutes to pull up your account so I will be able to provide the appropriate information and resolution to your concern, will that be fine?

MARK_: this is the error message I receive

MARK_: Sorry, there was an error loading this page. Your account has not been charged. Click here to see exclusive deals for XFINITY customers...

MARK_: of course

MARK_: thank you

May: I see.

May: Thank you for waiting.

MARK_: Hello

May: I do apologized for taking more time than usual. Would you mind waiting for another 3-4 minutes while I finish?

MARK_: Of course

MARK_: it is fine

May: Thank you.

May: Thank you for waiting.

MARK_: Did you find anything interesting?

May: Mark , I had double checked it , upon checking I see theat you had signed for internet only.

MARK_: No, I added HBO GO a month ago

May: Sorry for the typo, I had double checked it , upon checking I see that you had signed for internet only.

MARK_: Seriously. I spent two hours on tech support having it added.

MARK_: No, really. I added HBO GO.

May: I see.

May: Let me check the notes.

May: Thank you for waiting.

May: Do you have a cable service before?

MARK_: Not TV, and I do not intend to add TV. This was the internet-only HBO GO, and that is all I want.

May: I do apologized , I do see that you were only given a temporary pass at the time , that is the reason you were able to access it .

MARK_: I subscribed!

MARK_: This makes me upset.

MARK_: I requested that my account be upgraded to include the internet-only HBO. I was told that it was a done deal.

May: I do understand how this may upset you , Let me check further on the updates.

May: Please allow me another 3 mintues to research that .

MARK_: OK

May: Thank you.

MARK_: Does the internet + HBO GO package no longer exist?

May: Thank you for waiting.

May: Upon checking , the HBO Go is only available once you subscribed to it. You will need to have a cable TV.

MARK_: I was told that it was available as internet-only

May: I do apologized if you were misinformed about it. I had researhed it already.

MARK_: When did this change?

May: There was no recent change about that.

MARK_: I was told this by Comcast, to be precise.

MARK_: When I subscribed to HBO GO.

MARK_: About a month ago.

MARK_: Please review the notes in detail.

May: As I had said you were only given a temporary pass to access HBO last month but not actually subscribed to it.

MARK_: That was misrepresented to me. I was told I had cable modem + HBO.

MARK_: This is not a good business practice.

May: Which is for your internet.

MARK_: Yes. Just internet. I DO NOT WANT cable.

MARK_: Are you telling me I was lied to?

May: And we do not offer HBO with just internet service, HBO goes with a Cable TV service.

May: You were only given a temporarily pass to access the HBO at the time.

MARK_: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/...ernet-plus-hbo-bundle-for-broadband-customers

MARK_: This.

May: I do apologized , I am unable to access it.

May: I do apologized , I am unable to access it.

MARK_: Internet plus. This is what I was given on the phone. I have difficulty believing this is the first time you have encountered this.

MARK_: I was lied to.

May: I will transfer you to the Sales Department to confirm the package you are referring to. They will be able to answers your inquiry about the package you are seeing.

MARK_: Really. this is unacceptable.

May: I do apologized , you are connected to the Internet Troubleshooting Department, Allow me to transfer you so that they will be able to answer all enquiries about the promotion you are referring to.

MARK_: Mmmmm.

May: Please stay online while I get hold of my colleague from Sales Department.You might see me leave the room, but no worries, my colleague will be with you shortly. Please do not close this chat for you to stay connected.Thank you for contacting Comcast Chat Support.

May: Please hold on.

MARK_: ok

MARK_: http://www.wired.com/2013/10/hbo-go-comcast/

May: Please wait, while the problem is escalated to another analyst

Waiting for response from May

MARK_: My Issue: I added HBO GO to my account approximately a month ago but as of today I cannot access it and it doesn't appear on my services. Can we rectify this?

Waiting for response from Sachin

user MARK has entered room

analyst Sachin has entered room

Sachin: You have reached Sales Department and I will be assisting you with your concern for today. Please give me 2-3 minutes to review your conversation with the previous representative. This will give me a better understanding of the issue at hand so that we can resolve it in the most efficient way possible. Will that be okay?

MARK_: ok

Sachin: Thank you for waiting. How are you doing today Mark?

MARK_: I am rather upset about my HBO deception, to be perfectly honest.

Sachin: I am really very sorry to hear that, however do not worry at all i'll go ahead and take care of you now. Will that be okay?

Sachin: Let met just check if I got your concern correctly. You've mentioned that you cannot excess HBO go and it does not even appear on the screen. Is that correct?

MARK_: Depends on the outcome, I guess

MARK_: Yes

Sachin: Thank you for the confirmation!!

Sachin: Just allow me a minute or two to pull up your account details and then i'll go ahead and check what best I can do for you. Will that be okay?

MARK_: ok

Sachin: I have successfully pulled up your account details and I can see that you are using Performance Internet package. Is that correct?

MARK_: What does that entail?

MARK_: I requested Internet plus, which includes HBO GO. This is all I want.

MARK_: The semantics are unimportant.

Sachin: Not to worry, let me go ahead and check for the Internet Plus deal in your area. Please stay connected while I am working on your account.

MARK_: ok

Sachin: Great news, Mark.

MARK_: o rly?

Sachin: I have found Internet plus deal in your area and now I am going ahead to add it in your account.

MARK_: How much will it cost in total?

Sachin: The Internet plus deal is for $69.95/mo [Edit: That was indeed the cost of the package after I added HBO GO]

MARK_: Why was it removed from my account in the first place?

MARK_: Excellent. Please add the internet plus. HOW LONG does this last?

Sachin: Mark, we are very sorry for the inconvenience you have faced because of us.

Sachin: Sure, that would be great.

Sachin: Please stay connected while I am working on your account.

MARK_: Please let me know the exact terms of the contract -- number of months.

Sachin: Mark this is the best of the package that there is no contract involved in, that means you can anytime change or cancel your services for any reason.

Sachin: Mark, I have successfully added your desired deal in your account however I have also added the self installation kit for the cable box.

MARK_: I have expressly stated that I do not want cable. NO NO NO CABLE. Just Internet plus HBO GO.

MARK_: I am asking for Internet plus, which is what I signed up for, and the number of months it is available. These are very concrete requests.

MARK_: Internet plus is cable modem plus HBO GO. No cable TV, no cable box.

MARK_: There is not room for chicanery here.

Sachin: Mark, without the cable service you will not be able to watch the HBO go and in the Internet Plus deal includes the cable and internet service.

MARK_: Then I was lied to and you did not review the data I sent the previous technician. Comcast has a high-speed internet + HBO GO (and GO only, not tv) package that I was sold.

MARK_: I do not want cable tv. Do not want.

Sachin: I am sorry Mark, but it will only be available with cable service, without that it can't be done.

MARK_: Did you actually review the case notes from my previous conversations with Comcast agents?

MARK_: Can I have the $69.95 price, never pick up the box that I DO NOT WANT, and still have HBO GO?

Sachin: Yes, I have reviewed that , the last rep just transferred the chat.

MARK_: ... and never actually activate the cable tv that I DO NOT WANT?

Sachin: He is from trouble shooting department.

MARK_: "May" is a "he" from "trouble shooting department"?

Sachin: I can provide you $69.95 price for Internet plus.

MARK_: OK. Done. I will not pick up box and DO NOT WANT CABLE. OK. This will give me Internet plus HBO GO. But for how long and starting when?

Sachin: We have to send you Self installation kit for the cable box.

Sachin: Else your cable will not work.

MARK_: We don't care about cable. We care about HBO GO on the internet.

Sachin: Because we do not see any box in your account.

MARK_: Yep. No box. Please understand I am not 79 years old and do not care about cable. I care about Internet.

Sachin: But there is no big deal in that I will send you Self installation free of cost.

MARK_: And it will sit in closet unopened because I HAVE NO TEE VEE. I have computer.

Sachin: Because than if your cable will not work you need to chat back again and you need to spend another 15-20 minutes on chat.

MARK_: OK. Send box I do not want. I do not care. Can I access HBO GO on computer? That is what I care about. Seriously.

Sachin: I want to help you out here and understand that you want only HBO Go.

MARK_: THAT IS ALL I WANT. HONESTLY. THIS IS NOT SO HARD.

Sachin: The box is free and self installation is also free frop you.

MARK_: Do not care. Want HBO GO.

MARK_: Is HBO GO included? Do not be a trickster.

Sachin: Leave it on me, I will make sure that you will get HBO Go.

Sachin: Yes.

MARK_: OK. As of today?

Sachin: For that you need to call at 1855-423-988 and talk to our activation team.

MARK_: Why, when we are having this conversation? HOOK ME UP

Sachin: Or you can walk up to our nearby local office to activate it today , i will provide you pickup.

MARK_: GIVE ME THE SWEET NECTAR OF THE HBO GO

MARK_: I do not care about the box. I care about the Go. What is the holdup?>

MARK_: Seriously, box is irrelevant. GO is what I care about, and I care about it today.

Sachin: Mark I can surely understand that however without the cable box you will not be able to watch the HBO go.

MARK_: Do you understand the difference between HBO and HBO GO? GO is delivered through a browser, not the box. Box is for mere HBO, which comes to a TV, which I do not use.

MARK_: If my account has go, I can watch HBO immediately on my computer, which I do use and in fact am using now and is what I care about.

MARK_: If you do not understand the distinction between the two services, may I speak with someone who does?

Sachin: No problem I have my supervisor who have more information about this and may assist you better.

Sachin: Please wait, while the problem is escalated to another analyst

Waiting for response from Sachin

user MARK has entered room

analyst Rajesh has entered room

MARK_: My Issue: I added HBO GO to my account approximately a month ago but as of today I cannot access it and it doesn't appear on my services. Can we rectify this?

Rajesh: Hi, My name is Rajesh. I am the supervisor in the shift.

MARK_: OK.

Rajesh: Mark, If i am correct you want to add HBO Go in your account?

MARK_: Yes. That is all I want. It was on my account, it was removed without asking me, and I want it back. I never wanted it removed. I do not want cable tv.

Rajesh: I am sorry but without cable service you will not able to see HBO Go in the account.

MARK_: Can I have cable, never hook it to the tv and just access the HBO GO via internet as I had been doing (and want to do)?

MARK_: Or do I need to switch to Verizon?

Rajesh: I have read the chat and agent provided you correct information and details about that.

Rajesh: Once your can add it in your account you can access the HBO Go online .

MARK_: OK. I want the GO and I would like it added back immediately. If you must send the box, woo hoo, feel free, but it doesn't matter in terms of my utilization.

Rajesh: But you will get the cable box throung shipping that will take 3-5 business days or you can pick it from local office to activate right away.

MARK_: Please just make the change to my account and I will "deal" with the "box."

Rajesh: Okay, I will do that.

MARK_: For one month I was accessing HBO GO on the Internet without any box. So I know it is technically possible

Rajesh: It will be done and you can check that in next 5 minutes.

MARK_: Awesome

Rajesh: Because may be at that time cable was there in your account.

MARK_: I will check the HBO GO website

Rajesh: Thank you.

MARK_: It is not accessible yet

Rajesh: Is there anything else I may assist you with?

MARK_: Please stay online until I successfully access HBO GO

Rajesh: No, it will not be activated right away, you need to call at 1855-423-988 for activation.

MARK_: Then what did you mean by saying "you can check that in next 5 minutes"?

MARK_: By the way, 1855-423-988 is not a valid number.

MARK_: I think you missed a digit

Rajesh: That is because you said you can deal with box.

Rajesh: Because we need to send you self installation kit atht will reach you within 3-5 business days.

Rajesh: That is why I asked you to call at activation team.

Rajesh: 1855-423-9888

MARK_: So what is the correct number?

Rajesh: 1855-423-9888*

MARK_: I am calling it now

MARK_: "For native, press 2. For porting press 1. For agreement with no CDD press 3." What does it mean?

Rajesh: OKAy.

MARK_: That's what I got

Rajesh: Please try 1800-652-3446.

Rajesh: Please call.

MARK_: I am calling

MARK_: I got disconnected

MARK_: Again

Rajesh: Can You check if you access HBO go now.

MARK_: Hold on...

MARK_: No, I still do not

MARK_: I called 800-652-3446 twice. Both times I pressed 2 for technical support, and immediately got disconnected

Rajesh: That is the activation number.

MARK_: Well, it does not seem to work

Rajesh: It can only be activated from calling that number.

Rajesh: Rest everything is done from our end.

MARK_: It says "Press 1 to order Comcast. Press 2 for billing and technical support"

MARK_: I press 2 and lose the call. Three times now

MARK_: Should I press 1?

MARK_: And now I am getting "All our agents are currently assisting other customers"

Rajesh: You can try and can we end this chat now?

MARK_: I think your customer service is woefully inadequate, and I should switch to a different provider. Which I most assured will if I do not have HBO GO by tomorrow.

Rajesh: Mark, I have added the package and done the needful for you.

Rajesh: Thank you.

Rajesh: Is there anything else I may assist you with?

MARK_: Apparently not. Good bye.

Rajesh: It was a pleasure assisting and chatting with you today! Have a great day and thank you for choosing Comcast. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to give us a call at 1-877-870-4310 or visit us at www.comcast.net for technical support. We appreciate your business!

The analyst has left and your issue has been closed.

Rajesh: Analyst has closed chat and left the room

Needless to say, I still do not have HBO GO, and I am switching to Verizon. And yes, Verizon does offer HBO GO as part of their package.
 
Without reading every single line, I have to ask: do you subscribe to HBO on cable? If you do not it will not matter which provider you are with. HBO GO is only offered by HBO to customer that subscribe to HBO on cable TV or satellite. If you think you'll be getting it (other than maybe a month promo) with Verizon internet... well let me know how that goes.

Sometimes I feel sorry for the CSR's, its not their fault that media companies have really stupid policies.
 
I'm jealous that you have more than one option for broadband internet. Where I am in south central Massachusetts I have only one, Charter cable, no DSL or fiber is available. Although I can get 56K dial up from Verizon, or if I was willing to cut down a bunch of trees, some on my neighbors property, I could have expensive low quality satellite internet.

AFAIK, HBO requires that you have some TV subscription to get any HBO service. Of course you don't have to use or even hook-up the TV portion of the service but it must appear in the accounting from the service provider to HBO.

From the linked article in the OP @ http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/...rnet-plus-hbo-bundle-for-broadband-customers:
Comcast is now offering a package called Internet Plus. It puts together a 25 Mbps internet connection, a basic TV lineup of 45 channels, Comcast's own streaming video service Streampix, and most importantly, a subscription to HBO and HBO Go.

From the linked article in the OP @ http://www.wired.com/2013/10/hbo-go-comcast/:
The Internet Plus offer brings together 25Mbps Internet access, Limited Basic TV, Comcast’s VOD service XFINITY Streampix, and everyone’s favorite network to bittorrent, HBO.

I suspect you'll find that Verizon will still be adding some TV to the account to make the HBO work.

From a WSJ blog: How I Did the Impossible: HBO Without Cable TV
Here is how I did it. When I called Verizon 10 days ago to disconnect my phone and TV, sticking only with broadband, the customer service representative persuaded me to keep 20 “basic” channels – such as the broadcast networks
 
Sometimes I feel sorry for the CSR's, its not their fault that media companies have really stupid policies.
Me too. I did feel sorry for May, Sachin and Rajesh as individuals -- although Sachin sounded like he had all the intelligence of an "IF... THEN..." bot script. But I was very angry at their bosses and their business practices.
 
Are you sure you can get HBO Go in your area without cable? I just checked with them and they said no (for my area) without adding cable. (it's cheaper if you bundle in phone). I only have internet and use off air for my TV.
 
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I have Comcast TV and net. There are no competitors in the area except the phone line instead of the cable which sucks, but oh well.

I've had horrible experience with them on the phone and with chat. But they have an in-person bricks and mortar that was finally very helpful.
 
Without reading every single line, I have to ask: do you subscribe to HBO on cable? If you do not it will not matter which provider you are with. HBO GO is only offered by HBO to customer that subscribe to HBO on cable TV or satellite. If you think you'll be getting it (other than maybe a month promo) with Verizon internet... well let me know how that goes.

Sometimes I feel sorry for the CSR's, its not their fault that media companies have really stupid policies.

It is the company's fault that the lapses in their understanding of English and normal English usage (as opposed to formal trained English as you would learn it in , say, India) make it quite difficult for US users of English to communicate any complicated data or to follow data from the CSRs that is unclear due to how they present it. The companies need to train the CSRs in actual use US English (and, even better, have agents specifically trained in regional phrasing). Or, my preference, use US phone service sources. I have nothing against people in India making money/having jobs - but if those jobs require speaking skills in English I would really quite prefer US citizens needing jobs got them.
 
I thought it was interesting how Comcast was mistaken when they told you you could get HBO GO without cable, even though you found it was technically possible to do so. So many of cable company products, and especially the things that are annoying, seem to be more about licensing, and less about technology.
 
Are you sure you can get HBO Go in your area without cable? I just checked with them and they said no (for my area) without adding cable. (it's cheaper if you bundle in phone). I only have internet and use off air for my TV.
As I told the CSR's, for about a month I did have HBO Go without cable or cable box. So it is obviously possible from technical standpoint. Company policy is a different matter.
 
As I told the CSR's, for about a month I did have HBO Go without cable or cable box. So it is obviously possible from technical standpoint. Company policy is a different matter.
I understand. Are you sure Verizon will supply HBO Go without also subscribing to cable? They won't as far as I can tell (although it is technically possible).
 
lol @ "done the needful" line. Seems every Indian customer service representative is taught to say this, but it's so.... awkward. I don't even think it's proper English at all.

And yeah if you can switch provider that's a no-brainer. This is terrible customer service. They all sound like goddamn bots. I get that most of them are trained with a script but FFS, use your brain and behave like a human being instead of a retarded bot. Ugh.
 
I understand. Are you sure Verizon will supply HBO Go without also subscribing to cable? They won't as far as I can tell (although it is technically possible).
Yes, that's what they promised. I will see how long it lasts. But even if Verizon did not promise that, I would still switch. This is not the absolute worst customer service I ever encountered, but easily close second.
 
lol @ "done the needful" line. Seems every Indian customer service representative is taught to say this, but it's so.... awkward. I don't even think it's proper English at all.

I think it's standard phrasing in India. I usually hear it used to mean "used the bathroom" though.
 
Mark6, let me propose a reason why this is happening; I have no inside information except 40 years of working in technology, in the broadest sense.

When you first contacted Comcast and requested HBO Go Internet service, a clerk activated you because it was technologically possible, even though a more experienced clerk might have received training about customer packages and known that this was not intended to be an option without cable (how many times do you think they have that kind of request?).

Then, unbeknownst to anyone, a periodic maintenance program was run, perhaps a monthly Comcast in-house cleanup task, and one of the things it looks for is "anomalies" in accounts; things that don't match, options or features that aren't billed properly, etc. It found one in your account and "fixed" it. Although these kind of programs make logs, they rarely notify anyone, least of all the customer, who is considered too dumb to understand, and the supervisors aren't much smarter.

Does this all make sense? When you complained, the clerks told you the correct, current policy, but wouldn't understand what actually happened nor how it could.

I used to have this problem with my phone service. I had my options set to NOT have call forwarding, call waiting or voicemail but subscribed to other features as part of a "package" offered to everyone (Caller ID, etc.), and accepted by most. About every 6 months, I found that the call forwarding has been switched on without my knowledge, (causing me to lose calls and not know it!), and called tech support. They insisted that it was not possible to have the option combination that I had and enjoyed for 5 years. It was only through my persistence was I able to get it back, but I was.

A transcript of my complaining voice calls would have been quite similar to your experience. I feel your pain.
 
Mark6, let me propose a reason why this is happening; I have no inside information except 40 years of working in technology, in the broadest sense.

When you first contacted Comcast and requested HBO Go Internet service, a clerk activated you because it was technologically possible, even though a more experienced clerk might have received training about customer packages and known that this was not intended to be an option without cable (how many times do you think they have that kind of request?).

Then, unbeknownst to anyone, a periodic maintenance program was run, perhaps a monthly Comcast in-house cleanup task, and one of the things it looks for is "anomalies" in accounts; things that don't match, options or features that aren't billed properly, etc. It found one in your account and "fixed" it. Although these kind of programs make logs, they rarely notify anyone, least of all the customer, who is considered too dumb to understand, and the supervisors aren't much smarter.

Does this all make sense? When you complained, the clerks told you the correct, current policy, but wouldn't understand what actually happened nor how it could.
There is only one problem with your scenario - when HBO Go was activated, I was told that my monthly bill would increase, and it did. Which suggests it was not just "technically possible", but Comcast actually had it as a billable service.
 
The chat looks really strange. OK, i understand that these are some poor chaps in a call-center in India, but note how often some phrases are repeated _exactly_, sometimes with the same spelling mistakes. " I do apologized , I ...", "Please stay connected while I am working on your account.", etc.

This looks more like a re-implementation of some ELIZA code. Alternatively, they have a bunch of standard phrases they can enter by hitting a single key. The whole thing just looks strange to me.

Not to mention the fact that they rarely respond to specific stuff you told them, it's mostly just general responses you get there, sometimes having very little to do with what you actually said.

I'm not convinvced that this is just a "language-barrier" issue, having someone with poor english skills on the other end. It looks more like the other side having virtually no english skills and following some script, like "if you hear word X the press key Y for a response text-snippet". If not a lousy fully automated system.

I would complain to a local outlet of that provider and ask them what the hell they are thinking. This is not just bad customer service, it is virtually none at all.

What also confuses me: You seemed to be able to more or less get some instant contact to a person through the chat. But by phone it's suddenly all busy?

Greetings,

Chris
 
It's extremely common to be put on hold for 10-40-60 minutes when one calls a help line here.
 
For over a year Comcast has been my internet provider. I do not have a TV or cable or home phone -- it is Internet only. A little over month ago Comcast offered a special deal which added HBO GO to my Internet service for a few extra dollars. For a month I enjoyed the offerings of HBO online. Last week I was unable to access it. Here is the transcript of my chat with their "support"

Why don't you just buy a TV?


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Just a friendly related add-on. We have recently had fun and errors galore dealing with both Lenovo (finally canceled the order after multiple mess-ups not on our part - including UPS not being able to find a large building in St. Pete downtown that has it's correct number on it in letters 4 feet high just over the ground floor (though Gooble lists the number incorrectly...(not correct number in example) so Gooble reads 827 on Gooble street view but the actual picture clearly shows it is 828 (the buildings actual number) , but the clearly grossly easy to read number is 828 (other side of the street is actual 827. I.E. UPS goes by the Gooble words, not the visible street numbers.

With Dell the mess up is too big to waste time describing, but the Indian contacts were incompetent, unhelpful and refused to call in supervisors. Dell and Lenovo are off my list of people whose computers I have any interest in. Not worth the hassles and the ignorance.
 

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