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Why conspiracy theories aren’t harmless fun

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Interesting article here. A few short excerpts below:

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It’s not just that conspiracy belief sometimes causes people to do terrible things. It’s that attachment to the conspiracy worldview violates important norms of trust and forbearance that are central to how we relate to each other and the wider world.

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To believe in conspiracy theory, you must believe in conspirators. To maintain a conspiracy theory for any length of time, you must claim that more and more people are in on the conspiracy.

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On some level, the ‘conspiracy theory of society’ ultimately asks us to give up on society altogether. And that takes us to a very dangerous place indeed.

Full article: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/06/26/comment-why-conspiracy-theories-arent-harmless-fun
 
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Conspiracy theories are created to attack a person or group. They can range from simple trolling to an outright dangerous amount of fear-mongering and hate. They are rarely "harmless fun".
 
Interesting article here. A few short excerpts below:

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Full article: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/06/26/comment-why-conspiracy-theories-arent-harmless-fun

While I agree, in spirit, with what the article is saying, it is very inflammatory and over the top. The article is crying boogey man as if this were somehow going to topple the nation.

Personally, I think ardent believers in the Official Story do as much harm in that they see little no need to question the Official Narrative as they go blithely on their merry way trusting the people who hold power not to abuse such power.

Fundamentalist mindsets have a common need to eliminate uncertainties and ambiguities by sharply defining grey areas into black or white/all or nothing perceptions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_closure
Cognitive closure (psychology), the human desire to eliminate ambiguity and arrive at definite conclusions (sometimes irrationally)
 
Personally, I think ardent believers in the Official Story do as much harm in that they see little no need to question the Official Narrative as they go blithely on their merry way trusting the people who hold power not to abuse such power.
But the "ardent believers" do much less damage than the lunatics who spread conspiracy theories.
 
Nazism was build around the "The non-Aryans are out to get us!" conspiracy theory.

Yep, the "Stab In The Back" nonsense. "We weren't defeated in the field, the Jews and Communists at home were too weak to support us. We were winning, damn it!"

Our war hero on the left.
 

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Yep, the "Stab In The Back" nonsense. "We weren't defeated in the field, the Jews and Communists at home were too weak to support us. We were winning, damn it!"

Our war hero on the left.

aka: The Little Corporal (played by Shirley Temple in the movie!!!):D:D:jaw-dropp
 
"That little Bavarian corporal" according to von Papen.

Hindenburg referred to him as "The Little Bohemian Coporall".

Agree 100% that Nazi Germany is exhibit #1 in why Conspiracy Theories are not just stupid,but can be very dangerous.
 
While I agree, in spirit, with what the article is saying, it is very inflammatory and over the top. The article is crying boogey man as if this were somehow going to topple the nation.
Personally, I think ardent believers in the Official Story do as much harm in that they see little no need to question the Official Narrative as they go blithely on their merry way trusting the people who hold power not to abuse such power.
Fundamentalist mindsets have a common need to eliminate uncertainties and ambiguities by sharply defining grey areas into black or white/all or nothing perceptions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_closure
Cognitive closure (psychology), the human desire to eliminate ambiguity and arrive at definite conclusions (sometimes irrationally)

1. I didn't see anything in the article that fitted this description. Could you please quote these 'inflammatory and over the top' statements?
2. The examples of cruel, misguided or otherwise ill-advised actions were all backed up by links, names and other details. How is this a 'boogey man'? My understanding is that a bogeyman is something that is made up to scare people, i.e. the opposite of what you are claiming.
3. This strawman is so old and battered I'm surprised it's holding together at all. It is wheeled out by CT believers to somehow demonstrate that anyone who does not buy in to their latest ridiculous piece of paranoid fiction is a compliant and naive moron, and as such is a patronising and unjustified caricature of non-believers. You can refute me easily, of course, by supplying actual examples of this behaviour, either from this forum, or surveys of the nation of your choice- take your pick.
 
Hindenburg referred to him as "The Little Bohemian Coporall".
Ja! Been a while since I reviewed that incident.
Agree 100% that Nazi Germany is exhibit #1 in why Conspiracy Theories are not just stupid,but can be very dangerous.
"The Nazis were the good guys and everybody was out to get them!!!!" Classic example of reversing the spyglass. :rolleyes:
 
Yep, the "Stab In The Back" nonsense. "We weren't defeated in the field, the Jews and Communists at home were too weak to support us. We were winning, damn it!"

Our war hero on the left.

Notice he's right on the end,no one looks like they want to be photographed with him. He just snuck in. And the dog has the thousand yard stare of a long term sex abuse victim:jaw-dropp. Poor things just hoping the next french 75 puts him out of his misery.
A new book on Hitlers ww1 time just came out,I might pick it up. I think its published by pen and sword.
 
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Notice he's right on the end,no one looks like they want to be photographed with him.
Could be, but that's his courier team there, IIRC. I imagine by that point that nobody wanted to get too close to anybody, given the lack of sanitation in the trenches. :boggled:
He just snuck in. And the dog has the thousand yard stare of a long term sex abuse victim:jaw-dropp. Poor things just hoping the next french 75 puts him out of his misery.
A new book on Hitlers ww1 time just came out,I might pick it up. I think its published by pen and sword.
I'll await your remarks on it. :thumbsup:
 
I meant more than just the Dolchstoßlegende.

They're a subset of ideologies, which can be indeed very dangerous.
The core tenant of the Nazi ideology was that Aryans are a superior people that were kept from their rightful place as rulers of the world by an international conspiracy of inferiors: Jews, Slavs, Bolsheviks, capitalists, etc.
Thus the extermination of these classes of people was desired.

It's not just an ideology, it is a textbook conspiracy fantasy.
And they obviously believed it, they acted on it.
 
A good article. At best, conspiracy theories only unjustly, and without good evidence, insult and condemn a select group of people, accused of being a part of the conspiracy.

At worst, if held by people who actually gain significant political power, they can result in the sorts of horrors we saw the Nazi regime perpetrate in WW2.

I wonder what sort of education would be needed to inoculate people against unrealistic conspiracy-thinking? Certainly critical thinking skills are necessary, but is there a certain personality type that just gravitates towards conspiracy thinking, no matter what they are taught?

Perhaps the most important thing to learn, to see how unrealistic the vast conspiracies of conspiracy theorists are, is basic human psychology. You can't really delve very deep into human psychology before realizing that the more people are involved in a conspiracy, the less time it takes for that conspiracy to unravel, and thus globe spanning conspiracies running things behind the scenes are about as probable as fairies existing.

What I've found is that conspiracy theorists tend to think in purely black and white terms; either you accept the conspiracy, or you accept, without question, the "official story". Nothing in between.

Of course, the reality is that you can have a healthy level of realistic skepticism towards any action, governmental or otherwise, without adopting the elaborate and ultimately unrealistic constructs of deep coordinated deception for nefarious purposes that make up the world view of the conspiracy theorist.

And of course, a conspiracy theorist isn't a skeptic, because he employs a different epistemological method towards the "official story" (automatic rejection, folllowed by rationalizations for that rejection), than towards the conspiracy theories (automatic acceptance, with no skeptical scrutiny).
 
Yep, the "Stab In The Back" nonsense. "We weren't defeated in the field, the Jews and Communists at home were too weak to support us. We were winning, damn it!"

Our war hero on the left.

Silly moustache. He needs to reassess it. or people will laugh at him Maybe a trim.

Its actually quite astounding that the Allies managed to hold on to win. The British Generals were woefully out matched by their counterparts on the Prussian side.
Douglas Haig was, if nothing else, dogmatic and predictable. Almost every assault had the same plan, artillery barrage then firing ceased and the men went over the top in a line at 7:30 am. At the Somme he threw a huge number of infantry at the German lines. Wave after wave, in shoulder to shoulder lines each line, iirc, 20 yards behind each other, AT A WALK in order to maintain the 20 yard separation. German machine gunners were shocked at the British tactics, they mowed the Brits, Aussies, Canadians down in the tens of thousands.
Haig did not like machine guns. Not because they were chewing through his troops, but because if he put too many of them in the hands of his own troops they might lose their offensive spirit. He thought much more highly of mounted cavalry because nothing drove fear into the enemy that the thought "of cold steel", the mounted soldier's sword.

While British staff officers stayed well back of the lines using runners to deliver orders. Orders that were often woefully outdated by the time they got there. Its one thing to order a force to flank right, its quite another if the order to do so gets there when that force consists now only of a handful of men still walking upright.
German staff officers OTOH were up front directing battle in real time.

The Germans tried one massive assault late in the war to try and break the back of the British before the Americans entered the war. The lines held, barely.

The war ended when the Prussian politicians were faced with their population starving and the Americans now throwing in another million men. The Prussian army was still in good shape and was far from beaten. German soldiers and officers could be forgiven if it seemed to them that they had been betrayed by their political leaders.
The little Corporal took advantage of that sentiment a decade later.

As for Herr Hitler's mustache. He trimmed back that cookie duster, from what I understand, after having been gassed and finding that the hair kept his mask from fitting properly.
 
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