Why Berlusconi is good for Italy

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Hallo everybody from Milan.
I've read several times on comments regarding our Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
I've decided to make some remarks because i've kept that most of people express ideas on things they don't know or simply reporting what the media write. They are in fact more interested in reporting gossip than real facts.
First of all i want to remind everybody that Silvio Berlusconi was twice elected Prime Minister and he was in 1999 and in 2004 the European politician who has kept the largest number of personal preferences at the polling Stations for the European elections. More than 4 million of Italians have in fact written 'BERLUSCONI' on their ballot paper.
It's true many European politicians don't have a particular attraction for Berlusconi, but this is especially because while most of them are simply bureaucrats and they have probably never worked on their lives, Berlusconi is a man that comes from the business world. Something so closer to envy..
For this reason i look at Berlusconi not as a simple person who now belongs to politics, but as a person who tries to make politics more efficient. And he is making the job.
Before of him, Italy was well known for its political instability and for a the low profile of its politicians. Except Alcide De Gasperi, who is not only one of the Fathers of the European Union, but he was the man who took over Italy since after the end of WWII and he was able to bring the country into a new era: the Italian economic miracle of the '60s.
Now it's time that the 5th world's economic power will be represented with a class of politicians who really represent the reality. And Berlusconi is one of those.
He was for the first time able to keep the word since electors chose Forza Italia and the coalition of the House of Liberties to lead our Country, and his government carried out an enormous task that complied exactly with what had been promised during the electoral campaign. This had never happened before in Italian history.
The Government has introduced 332 measures. The Chamber of Deputies and the Senate have already turned 184 of them into laws and they are now working on the remaining 148. As a result, all taxes on medium and low income earners have been reduced; tax breaks for children have been doubled; 1.000.000 new jobs have been created; a number of important reforms (school, tax system, labour market, major public works, company law, decentralization, legislative simplification) have been promoted; public spending has been rationalized and so on.
Many who were 'living' on previleges have tried to stop him, a few magistrates that were inspired more by their ideology.
In fact now, after that all the investigations failed and Berlusconi was fully acquitted, those zealous magistrates have quickly abandoned their job to find a protection into their natural home, politics. Most of them were in fact later elected in the European Parliament or in the Italian Parliament in the small Communist party group.
We don't have to forget that even if the Italian Communist party was always in the Opposition, they were training thousands of magistrates and teachers and using them for their political interests.
The international and domestic media campaign against Berlusconi, that sometimes it seams a real agression, has despite of the end of his process not stopped.
Almost any newspaper has reported that, and almost any newspaper has reported the real result of this 10 years of 'political' investigations on Berlusconi (and just on him.. strange): 750 million of euro that have at the end be spent for nothing. Berlusconi was acquitted.
The Italian people have always belived in this 10 years on Berlusconi, and everytime the magistrates have tried to start investigations on him (this it has usually happened everytime before at every election since 1994) the Italians have replied at the polling station, confirming their, our, confidence on the man.
Despite of what it's written abroad, the main problem for Italy and for all Europe it's represented by the media. The largest part of the Italian and European journalists are left-wing oriented. Even in the Berlusconi's TVs.
As the Wall Street Journal has recentely reported, even if Berlusconi formally could control the 75% of the Italian TV, in reality he has the 75% of the media against of him, because those journalists represents the lobby of who don't want any changement. But the changement is set, and Italy is now a better country where to live.
Many reforms were passed and the first results are under the eyes of everybody. A labour market that is become the most flexible in the all Europe, the unemployed rate in the south that was strongly reduced (in the northern regions it's a full occupation), less bureacracy that means more freedom for the enterprises to invest, less taxes that means more money the Italians can re-invest and a massive programme of investments with 100 bln euro in 10 years in the public infrastructures that means more jobs, more efficiency: the authomatic damns who will protect Venice from flooding, the bridge between Sicily and Calabria, 10.000 km of new high speed train lines to add at the 8.000 km already built, 18.000km of highways to add at the 22.000 km already built.
In 2001 Berlusconi has said he wanted in one year to see Italy becoming a 'Big Yard'. He has kept the promise and many private investors have taken part to the challenge, because this projects don't come from a typical politician, but this projects have come from a man that has showed he was able to do.
But unfortunately the media are inspired by other things.

Ciao, Marco
 
At least B makes for interesting news copy, which is more than we can say for many world leaders.
 
Berlusconi said:
I respect yr idea. There are persons who still belive in Sankta Klaus..;) and looks at the facts.

I think your English is quite good. Certainly better than my Italian.

Berlusconi's politics differ from my own but I don't know what your options were.

Your sig-line is way too long for my taste. If you can't make it shorter in terms of verbage, at least you could get rid of the extra line-feeds.
 
Rob Lister said:
I think your English is quite good. Certainly better than my Italian.

Berlusconi's politics differ from my own but I don't know what your options were.

Your sig-line is way too long for my taste. If you can't make it shorter in terms of verbage, at least you could get rid of the extra line-feeds.

Thank You for Your suggestion!

Regarding Sankta Klaus.. i think it's the right way in Swedish.;)
 
Berlusconi is good for Italy because he makes the rest of us thankful that we're not Italian!
Same for Tony Blair. Err...
 
Kimpatsu said:
Berlusconi is good for Italy because he makes the rest of us thankful that we're not Italian!
Same for Tony Blair. Err...

Berlusconi is good for what his Government does. If you read what i've written before, i'm sure you will be able to understand. It's not difficult. Just try.:p
 
Kimpatsu said:
Berlusconi is good for Italy because he makes the rest of us thankful that we're not Italian!
Same for Tony Blair. Err...

I admit a great degree of ignorance regarding the man. Judging from the initial post, by American standards he would be a typical democrat. Were he actually brought up here, he would probably be a republican -- Pat Buchanan style.

What I (thought I) knew about him before this thread was that he was very conservative by Europian, or even Italian standards, that he was being dogged by politically inspired scandales a la Clinton, and that he was someone that stuck fairly closely to his convictions, took a promise made seriously, and ignored for the most part the media's take on him.
 
Berlusconi said:
Berlusconi is good for what his Government does. If you read what i've written before, i'm sure you will be able to understand. It's not difficult. Just try.:p
I don't understand that statement. At the very least, any man who controls the Italian media as his own personal fiefdom and who passes laws making it impossible to investigate his alleged corruption can't be good for democracy.
Perhaps we should rename him "Il Duce"...
 
Rob Lister said:
I admit a great degree of ignorance regarding the man. Judging from the initial post, by American standards he would be a typical democrat. Were he actually brought up here, he would probably be a republican -- Pat Buchanan style.

What I (thought I) knew about him before this thread was that he was very conservative by Europian, or even Italian standards, that he was being dogged by politically inspired scandales a la Clinton, and that he was someone that stuck fairly closely to his convictions, took a promise made seriously, and ignored for the most part the media's take on him.

Well, i actually has not done as Chirac did. Berlusconi has had the courage to face justice and to win. This is something the media will never forgive him.
Regarding his position. His Forza Italia party is very close to the US Republican. It's not a secret Berlusconi has inspired himself on Ronald Reagan and his act on the economics and the reforms are something very similar to Reaganomics.
One point in common with the great President Reagan is that Berlusconi is a great communicator.
 
Kimpatsu said:
I don't understand that statement. At the very least, any man who controls the Italian media as his own personal fiefdom and who passes laws making it impossible to investigate his alleged corruption can't be good for democracy.
Perhaps we should rename him "Il Duce"...

You are probably confusing Chirac with Berlusconi.
As i said and wrote and repeated at least 10 times, while Chirac didn't want to be investigated, Berlusconi has faced his allegations and he has won. He was acquitted and the Italians have supported him.
Second, before to say Berlusconi passes laws as he wants, you should know a little more the Italian Constitution. Berlusconi is PRIME MINISTER, not President as Chirac is, and the Prime Minister in Italy can't pass laws as he wishes.
Do you know the biggest example of the fact he is always under the agression of the media? The fact that the foreign media are simply reporting the daily agression on the Italian Government.
As i said before, being a liberal i don't want the media on our side, but i don't want the media against of us. They must be indipendent.
You should anyway buy an Italian newspaper or watching an Italian TV. If you find an article in support of Berlusconi, i pay you a ticket in business class.
The journalists are simply the parrots of who don't want any changement.
 
Berlusconi said:
Well, i actually has not done as Chirac did. Berlusconi has had the courage to face justice and to win. This is something the media will never forgive him.
Regarding his position. His Forza Italia party is very close to the US Republican. It's not a secret Berlusconi has inspired himself on Ronald Reagan and his act on the economics and the reforms are something very similar to Reaganomics.
One point in common with the great President Reagan is that Berlusconi is a great communicator.
Burlosconi did not "face justice". He has yet to be tried in an impartial court. Burlusconi rigged the judicial system in his favour. I would agree on one thing, though: Burlosconi is as great a gaffer in public speaker as Reagan.
Reagan: "I have signed legislation to outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
Burlusconi (to German MEP): "In Italy, we are making a new film about a concentration camp. I shall nominate you for the role of camp commandant."
Yeah, really got the gift of the gab there... :rolleyes:
 
Kimpatsu said:
Burlosconi did not "face justice". He has yet to be tried in an impartial court. Burlusconi rigged the judicial system in his favour. I would agree on one thing, though: Burlosconi is as great a gaffer in public speaker as Reagan.
Reagan: "I have signed legislation to outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
Burlusconi (to German MEP): "In Italy, we are making a new film about a concentration camp. I shall nominate you for the role of camp commandant."
Yeah, really got the gift of the gab there... :rolleyes:

You have really wrong information. BERLUSCONI WAS ACQUITTED IN DECEMBER 2003. The Process is over and his public prosecutors have escaped to the European Parliament.. in the Communist Party of Europe where they have found the immunity.

Regarding the German MEP.. Berlusconi was probably wrong, but respect to the other politicians and their bla bla bla and nothing else he is a man who does and who speaks with the heart.
The German MEP has CLEARLY ADMITTED he was inspired by his Italian Left-wing collegues to provocate the PM.;)
 
Berlusconi said:
You have really wrong information. BERLUSCONI WAS ACQUITTED IN DECEMBER 2003. The Process is over and his public prosecutors have escaped to the European Parliament.. in the Communist Party of Europe where they have found the immunity.
Yes; he was acquitted by a corrupt judiciary. This is not the same as saying "he didn't do it"; this is saying, "we took a big block of wonga to say what he wants us to say".
Berlusconi said:
Regarding the German MEP.. Berlusconi was probably wrong, but respect to the other politicians and their bla bla bla and nothing else he is a man who does and who speaks with the heart.
The German MEP has CLEARLY ADMITTED he was inspired by his Italian Left-wing collegues to provocate the PM.;)
None of which matters. Firstly, two wrongs don't make a right. Secondly, the comment was either the zenith or the nadir of bad taste (I can't decide which), and if Burlusconi had any shred of decency, he would have resigned immediately. But that's beyond an egotist of his girth...
 
Berlusconi said:
You have really wrong information. BERLUSCONI WAS ACQUITTED IN DECEMBER 2003. The Process is over
So you are saying this article is wrong: "Berlusconi bribery trial reopens", and the trial wasn't reopened after the immunity law was found unconstitutional?

I like to see the evidence that Berlusconi was acquitted.
 
Kimpatsu said:
Yes; he was acquitted by a corrupt judiciary. This is not the same as saying "he didn't do it"; this is saying, "we took a big block of wonga to say what he wants us to say".

This stupid comment doesn't deserve an answer, i'm sorry.
He was acquitted in the 3rd grade and final grade, the Supreme Court. Even the leader of the Communist party has never said a such stupid comment. And even the former public prosecutors.
The Supreme Court is FULLY indipendent and neutral and its decision are above of every stupid comment, especially if it comes from an envy person that doesn't have a basic knowledge.
 
Berlusconi said:
This stupid comment doesn't deserve an answer, i'm sorry.
He was acquitted in the 3rd grade and final grade, the Supreme Court. Even the leader of the Communist party has never said a such stupid comment. And even the former public prosecutors.
The Supreme Court is FULLY indipendent and neutral and its decision are above of every stupid comment, especially if it comes from an envy person that doesn't have a basic knowledge.
See above for the link to where your statement is proven totally incorrect.
 

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