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Why are Atheist angry at believes?

woodguard

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Something I have noticed that some atheist are very angry and look down at believers.
Do we believers threaten then in some way ? :confused:

I find this odd, I have seen few believers affected but atheists.

I also see many atheist who understand and respect believers.

Some atheist reject god, not his/her existence.

If you reject God then you believe in God.
 
That a portion of the atheists would be angry at believers and that a portion of the atheists would not be angry at believers is exactly what one would expect would be the case.

One would also expect that a portion of the believers would be angry at atheists and that a portion of the believers would not be angry at atheists.
 
woodguard said:

If you reject God then you believe in God.

What inference will you draw from the response
"There is no credible evidence for god outside of human belief"?
I am no more angry at zealots than I am at anyone contigent upon their social behavior.
 
I would have to agree that at a few, but definitely not all atheists appear to look downon theists/theism. Many/Most, do not.

Just one thing woodguard... Atheists dont believe in God. Rejecting and not believing in the first place are rather different.
 
Man of jade said:

Just one thing woodguard... Atheists dont believe in God. Rejecting and not believing in the first place are rather different.


I know, a true atheists does not accept the existence of God. And I can see their logic.

But some people who reject God call themselves atheists, and they are wrong.
 
woodguard said:
Something I have noticed that some atheist are very angry and look down at believers.

I find the opposite is true. Since we are obviously under Satans' spell and going to 'hell', believers are told to stay away from us. That's why I don't casually talk at work about being an atheist - because who knows...I may lose my job, because my Xian boss cannot abide by me!

Do we believers threaten then in some way ?

Amaze would be a better word

I find this odd, I have seen few believers affected but atheists.

Then you haven't seen the xians I've had foaming at the mouth trying to explain their position. (It's comical when the atheist knows more about the bible then the xian)

Some atheist reject god, not his/her existence.

I have never heard of an atheist believing in god ...and yet denying his authority.
 
I am a believer because that is the way my brain is wired.
Good or bad I believe in something without logic.

First rule of life know yourself?


I hit the 50 post mark , is my avatar showing :eek:
 
woodguard said:



I know, a true atheists does not accept the existence of God. And I can see their logic.

But some people who reject God call themselves atheists, and they are wrong.
That is true. Some who call themselves atheists are actually antitheists (they believe in God, but don't like Him), however I know very few of those. It has also been said by many (mostly Christians) that not all people who call themselves Christian actually are. I'm not sure if that is true or not, since there is no general agreement on what exactly it takes to be a Christian. It would be pretty hard to show, though, that a person who claims they are a theist is not actually a theist.

But there are a lot of angry atheists out there (especially in the US). Many have been demonized, persecuted and slandered for all of their lives. Many (including myself) don't dare reveal our beliefs to our employers or co-workers. I used to be angry too, but I got over it. Now I'm just sardonic. ;)
 
Can you control what you believe?

I know you can deny something you believe but can you stop it?
 
woodguard said:
Something I have noticed that some atheist are very angry and look down at believers.

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Woodgard, just about all the athiests I know are ONLY disgusted with the people who try to shove religion down their throats.

Let me ask you: Why do thiests get so angry when they hear about an athiest?
 
woodguard said:
Can you control what you believe?

I know you can deny something you believe but can you stop it?
You can become educated. I doubt all your beliefs today are what they were 5 years ago ("beliefs" writ broadly--likes, dislikes, etc.)

Five years from now, who knows what your beliefs will be like?

My journey from born-again to atheist took roughly 5 years.

Can you control what you believe? You can, to some extent, control the arguments you are exposed to (by coming here or not, for instance :D ). Your beliefs will change over time; the extent to which you control the direction this change takes? That is up to you.
 
woodguard said:
Something I have noticed that some atheist are very angry and look down at believers.
Do we believers threaten then in some way ? :confused:

I find this odd, I have seen few believers affected but atheists.

I also see many atheist who understand and respect believers.

Some atheist reject god, not his/her existence.

If you reject God then you believe in God.

I am a believer, albeit of the *liberal* sort, but I have encountered only one atheist on here who was angry at me, and he was just a hurting young man who is no longer on here.

The truth is, I find myself getting more angry than atheists at some things believers promote. Sometimes, I am surprised by how tolerant atheist can be over certain issues that I am irritated about.
 
Tricky said:
But there are a lot of angry atheists out there (especially in the US). Many have been demonized, persecuted and slandered for all of their lives. Many (including myself) don't dare reveal our beliefs to our employers or co-workers.

This bugs the snot out of me. Something needs to be done. It's major discrimination to persecute, slander , or fire someone from a job just because they are atheist.

Sorry. I'll shut up now and stop derailing the topic at hand!
 
I have very little problem with what peole want to believe. It does frustrate me to see what some do con themselves into thinking and how dogmatic they can be about their delusions. I might think they are fooish, but that's their descision to make. I get angry and offended when complete strangers insult me for not partaking in the idea that there is an invisible sky daddy who started it all and is looking out for each one of us.
 
Re: Re: Why are Atheist angry at believes?

Ruby said:

The truth is, I find myself getting more angry than atheists at some things believers promote. Sometimes, I am surprised by how tolerant atheist can be over certain issues that I am irritated about.

Well, I've often wondered what kind of brotherly love we see in some of our most prominent evangelical "Christians".

It's not like I didn't study the religion, you know. I did. I didn't find very many places in the new Testament where it said "lie about your opponents, manipulate people into discrimination, economic retaliation, and sometimes jail", and so on. Actually I don't recall any in the new testament.
 
Ruby said:
This bugs the snot out of me. Something needs to be done. It's major discrimination to persecute, slander , or fire someone from a job just because they are atheist.

Well, you don't have to persecute or fire someone "just because they're an atheist". There are so many excuses to do all of the above.

"Not a team player."
"Unsatisfactory {fill in the blank}."
"We just needed to let someone go. It was you."

Prove it wasn't.

This topic merely harkens back to the "Smart people think they have a right to be mean" thread... but I'm easy.

Basically, it's very simple. I'll try a few simple examples to illustrate my point.

We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand.
-- James Watt (Former Secretary of the Interior, under Reagan)

Ah, the doomsday mentality. Screw the whole planet, Jesus is comming any day now, so it doesn't matter.

No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.
-- George Bush, to a reporter in 1988, while serving as vice-president and running for President

Apparently, it's un-American to be an atheist. Naturally, if we substitute 'blacks' or 'jews' into the quote, it would be a career ending quote, rather than a career enhancing one.

I strongly believe in the separation of church and state. But freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion, there is a better way.
-- Al Gore, speech at a Salvation Army drug rehabilitation center in Atlanta, Georgia, May, 1999, quoted from AANEWS #808 by American Atheists, August 28, 2000

Another lovely vice-presidential quote. I wonder how many religions are not "good enough" for Algore?

We know that the Constitution wisely separates church from state, but remember: the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
-- Joseph Lieberman, campaign speech at Fellowship Chapel, Detroit, August 27, 2000, quoted from AANEWS #808 by American Atheists, August 28, 2000

What is it with vice presidents? It seems like a requirement or something that they make a remark like this.

I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist, [but America's] secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture ... the result is not good.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, backpedaling amidst criticism of his statement blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, quoted from John F. Harris, "God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

I see. It wasn't *really* religious people that hijacked airplanes and crashed them into buildings, it was ultimately the fault of people not believing in his gods.

Then there's the whole "School Prayer" thing that comes up every so often.
http://www.schoolprayer.com/courts/rulings.html

Most recently the high school football prayer case was essentially all about Baptists in a primarily Baptist community speaking their minds about how Mormons are cultists, and getting cheers at school events, on school property, and amplified by school equipment.
http://www.baptiststandard.com/2000/6_12/pages/pressure.html

Naturally, to some it's all 'atheists' fault, and they mistreat other Christians by calling them 'atheists' (alas) because nobody ever bothers to read up on the background to this stuff.

Really, to have people believe you're pure "evil" for not believing in their gods is a little petty. Interesting that they seem to respect believing in the WRONG gods far more than believing in none.
 
woodguard said:



I know, a true atheists does not accept the existence of God. And I can see their logic.

But some people who reject God call themselves atheists, and they are wrong.

A buddy of mine calls 'em God Haters. I think it's appropraite. Some atheists out there are furious at what happened to them growing up in Church ('the' Church, a church, whatever) that they channel all that anger towards a being they claim they don't believe in. No matter how many times they claim they don't believe, statements like "God Kills Babies" or "God Oppresses Women" are not the sign of someone referring to a religion that developed around said deity - they're clearly referring to said deity.

There aren't as many as the internet sometimes makes it seem though. Most atheists simply don't believe.
 
I was impressed once by a co-worker who was a devout believer (Xtian) who found out I was an "unbeliever". We had a great working relationship and had an unwritten agreement to not discuss or even bring up the subject. She impressed me quite a lot with her tolerance. Others just didnt give a darn or were too involved in thier own little world to even notice outsiders. If I had not been married and she also married, something might have happened :p

-Joxter-
 

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