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Who wants $1000?

A better way to phrase this challenge is “Convince a biblical literalist Catholic who completely rejects science that the Earth orbits the Sun”. This is quite difficult.
 
Ummm... that's weird. It opposes the position of the church! For Catholics, the point should have been moot in 1992 (and possibly before)

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0005.html

(even though the article has a decidedly positive spin on the whole affair, at least one can confidently date the combining Catholicism and heliocentrism to 1992 at the very latest)


BTW, can parallax be explained by the geocentric model without special pleading?
 
Plus, if you fail to convince them to change their minds (which are already made up), then you have to pay THEM $1000.
 
Ummm... that's weird. It opposes the position of the church! For Catholics, the point should have been moot in 1992 (and possibly before)

Then couldn't you win the prize by your proof being, "Because the Pope said so, and the Pope is perfect"?
 
The defense I read on their website against Newtonian gravitational theory controlling the orbits (put aside the fact that General Relativity has replaced Newtonian for a second) boiled down to using the Earth as their fixed point of reference in the entire universe. Well, of course you can't disprove that the declared fixed point of reference is the fix point of reference since it is just semantics. *mutter*
 
Then couldn't you win the prize by your proof being, "Because the Pope said so, and the Pope is perfect"?

Not if they're sedevacantists. A quick look at their site doesn't say they are, specifically, but it also doesn't seem to have much glorifying Woytyla or Ratzinger.
 

This stupid psychic woman does not want to disappear heh? Always want to be in the lime light. Can James Randi give contact numbers (emails, phones) of people that she deals with so that members here can bombard them requesting to withdraw her books, TV appearances, Theater Shows , etc, etc,... This is the only way to counter her. Lets milk her out of her pocket in which it is money that she preyed upon the gullible followers of her.
 
Hmmm. Well the obvious answer would be to simply chart the positions of the visible planets and other bodies and show how the system is inconsistent with the earth at the center. (retro-grade motion and such).

Of course they could refute this by saying that “Just because that makes sense doesn’t mean it’s true. Maybe god moves the planets in such away as to give the illusion that we are orbiting the sun.”

The problem is that they say that this proof must be directly observable. So, while volumes of data exist which prove the structure of the solar system, much of it was obtained with equipment not available to the public. Thus, they could claim it is part of a government conspiracy or something.

I would say that the best absolute proof of the structure of the solar system would be that probes have been sent to all corners of it. If the solar system were not laid out in the manner science says it is, it would be impossible to navigate using the standard model, which most of us except. If it could be proven that these interplanetary probes are indeed on the trajectory which Nasa claims they are, then that would be very solid proof. But, in order to verify the paths and velocities of these probes, one would need access to the Deep Space Network, right? Not necessarily.

The relative position of some of these probes as well as the velocity and acceleration can be tracked with readily available equipment.

A Minimum system would require the following:

1. A large dish antenna – These are available, often free of charge, due to the fact that they have lost popularity as digital systems have come on the scene. A 10 foot dish would be the minimum, but larger dishes would be preferable. There are a few 14 and 16 food dishes, but you may have to look for them. In Alaska and Hawii, 20 foot dishes are not entirely uncommon. Of course, professional broadcasters may have even larger, but transportation may become an issue as many do not disassemble.

2. A high quality S-band tuned receiver with a low-noise amplifier and Downconverter. These are available from California amplifier.

3. Additional high-gain low-noise narrowband tuned amplifiers may be necessary.

4. High quality microwave coax.

5. A high power azimuth/altitude rotor and synchronous control. The actual size depends on the size of the dish in question. Yaesu makes a small one. There are plans avaliable for building a much larger one.

6. A receiver with sufficient frequency range to tune in the signal.

7. Analysis equipment. This may either be a computer interface for the receiver or a high-quality spectrum analyzer.


**it should be noted that this system is the BARE MINIMUM for receiving an interstellar probe. It will only work for relatively high-power probes, and those which are not in extremely deep space. Also, continuous reception may be tricky.


However, the system is also scalable for higher power. Adding additional dishes will both increase sensitivity and help to cancel out terrestrial interference, thus allowing for more amplification.
However, additional dishes cannot simply be spliced into the system. They must be connected through a well-tuned phased mixer, so that their signals remain perfectly synchronized.

While this system may require a bit of work to build, it has been done by some advanced radio enthusiasts. The total budget would depend on how much equipment one can build or scavenge. But it should be possible to put a working system together for a few thousand dollars.

Once the system is built, it would be simply a mater of observing the probes for a period of time and tracking their position and their signal’s dolper-shift and other characteristics to see if it is indeed consistent with the path nasa claims it is on.

Perhaps if this guy could be involved in the design, construction and operation of the system from the ground up, that would dispel the idea that the signal was being faked???

-Steve
 
earthquakes affect the apparent motion of the stars. this only makes sense in two scenarios.

1) the earth is moving.

2) giant coordinated star movement causes earthquakes.

and if (2) is the case, why can we induce our own earthquakes which still affect apparent star motion?
 
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earthquakes affect the apparent motion of the stars. this only makes sense in two scenarios.

1) the earth is moving.

2) giant coordinated star movement causes earthquakes.

and if (2) is the case, why can we induce our own earthquakes which still affect apparent star motion?
Um, don't you know your astrology? The stars affect our lives, so obviously, the stars make us induce the earthquakes that affect apparent star motion. Sheesh, some people...
 
Um, don't you know your astrology? The stars affect our lives, so obviously, the stars make us induce the earthquakes that affect apparent star motion. Sheesh, some people...

too bad the christians arguing this accept free will, eh?
 
Then couldn't you win the prize by your proof being, "Because the Pope said so, and the Pope is perfect"?

That only works if the pope makes an infaluible statement and they have avoided doing that lately.
 
Ummm... that's weird. It opposes the position of the church! For Catholics, the point should have been moot in 1992 (and possibly before)


http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0005.html
From your site:

"A commission of scholars was convened, and they presented their report to the Pope on October 31, 1992. Contrary to reports in The New York Times and other conduits of misinformation about the Church, the Holy See was not on this occasion finally throwing in the towel and admitting that the earth revolves around the sun. That particular debate, so far as the Church was concerned, had been closed since at least 1741 when Benedict XIV bid the Holy Office grant an imprimatur to the first edition of the Complete Works of Galileo."

From theirs:

"The Encyclopedia concludes: "That both these pontiffs [Paul V and Urban VIII] were convinced anti-Copernicans cannot be doubted, nor that they believed the Copernican system to be unscriptural and desired its suppression. The question is, however, whether either of them condemned the doctrine ex cathedra. This, it is clear, they never did" (Ibid, p. 345). So despite what anyone says, the Catholic Church has never endorsed the Copernican theory and no pope has ever annulled the decrees of Paul V or Urban VIII. The only thing the Church has done is apologized for the treatment of Galileo in a 1992 address by John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Science."
 
I corresponded with this nut-case for awhile. Bottom line, only he is the final arbiter. Compare that two the Million Dollar Challenge.
 
Hmmm....

He also seems to challange the idea of the theory of relativity.

Perhaps he could take a ride in a plane with a cesium frequency standard and then compair it to a refrence one?
 
A few more thoughts...

The earth is rotating (as opposed to the sun orbiting it) because….

1. It can be detected very simply by observing that a sufficiently long pendulum will change it’s relative motion as the earth moves beneath it. A precision gyroscope can do an even better job at detecting it.

2. There is a very small different in relative weight from the poles to the equator. Also, a sufficiently accurate atomic clock can detect time variations due to the earths rotation.

3. The coriolois (sp) effect is observable in the trajectories of missiles.

4. Satellites orbit the earth and are mostly independent of the rotation of the earth. Therefore a satellite orbiting east to west above the equator will appear to move slower than if moving west to east. If a satellite orbits in a tilted orbit, it will trace a wave-like path over the earth. If a satellite is places in the Clark Belt, it will appear to be stationary, due to the orbit being the same as the earth’s rotation. If he doesn’t believe me that there are satellites up there, he can feel free to sign up for the next free-month trial offer from DirecTV. If he does not believe that the altitude is what they say it is, he can either observe the lag in broadcasts or he can chart the azimuth from different locations required to receive a given satellite and work out the altitude from that. Also, many LEO satellites are visible to the naked eye at certain times of the day.

The earth revolves around the sun because….

1. The sky changes seasonally. If you look at the sky and plot the position of the stars vrs. the sun, the rotation becomes apparent.

2. Perspective of a star changes with season. This is a very accurate way of measuring distance to nearby stars. If a nearby star is observed at different times of the year, there is a tiny variation in the position. This can be used to calculate distance in the same way having two eyes gives depth perspective.

3. If the sun orbited around the earth, it would have to be further away than the moon, because the moon obscures it during an eclipse. If this is the case, then it should take much longer to orbit the earth than the moon, because of the larger orbit. The moon takes 28 days. The sun takes 24 hours. It doesn’t make sense. And also, if it was in an orbit with a 24 hour period, it should be colliding with all our geostationary satellites.

4. The earth’s orbit around the sun periodically and predictably brings it close to the path of other bodies. This is why we have regular meteor showers.

5.. Predictions based on the heliocentric solar system are consistently accurate. When the model predicts that, for example, a planet will be close to earth and therefore appear bigger and brighter, it indeed does. When it predicts that certain planets will align, they do.
 

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