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Who is telling the truth?

Who do you believe, Trump or Comey?

  • Trump, because he is a President of great integrity who would never lie.

    Votes: 4 4.3%

  • Comey, the recently fired disgruntled employee.

    Votes: 90 95.7%
  • Total voters
    94

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According to recent reports Comey was asked in a private meeting to back off the investigation of Michael Flynn and yesterday during a press conference Trump was asked if he did and Trump gave a definitive no.
 
The boy scout's word vs the feline grabber? Not a hard choice.
 
I think the growing narrative is that 45 is a political neophyte and not a legal scholar (hah!), so he didn't know what he was doing might be wrong. And, anyway, he was joking.
 
Let's see, Comey documented the conversation and sent it to others right after it happened. So it is impossible that he's making this up to get revenge on Trump. The only way he isn't telling the truth is if he decided immediately after the conversation to write a memo documenting a version that didn't happen. Seems very far fetched to me.

Trump denying it means nothing to me. He lies all the time. If he did it, I would expect him to lie about it.
 
madurobob said:
I think the growing narrative is that 45 is a political neophyte and not a legal scholar (hah!), so he didn't know what he was doing might be wrong. And, anyway, he was joking.
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I think the growing narrative is that Trump does not comprehend the concept of "reality."
 
Ha, ha- this is one of those trick joke questions, right? The survivors aren't buried? Apples don't fall from peach tress? Something like that?

If not, I'll vote the sane person.
 
Duh, Comey is telling the truth.

And the "recently fired disgruntled employee" is a red herring. Comey documented the encounter in his memo, and told about it to Wittes, before he was fired.
 
What, no Planet X option ?

IMO, it's entirely possible that neither person is fully lying or telling the truth. I only know the two men from the media but my impression of Comey is that he will have accurately recorded the version of the truth that he heard and remembered but humans are fallible and anything he saw or heard, he did so through the lens of his own experience. For example he clearly thinks that Trump talking about Flynn being a good guy so could you please lay off was an attempt to influence the investigation.

OTOH I think that Trump is a confabulist whose perception reality is significantly different to other people's. He seems to construct a narrative he is happy with and then goes with that rather than the truth. His recollection of the Flynn-cident may be that he was just thinking out loud or talking mano-a-mano and had no intention of trying to influence the investigation.

That said, IMO Comey is the more reliable witness by several orders of magnitude.
 
What criteria do we use to decide who is telling the truth? Do previous statements that the President has made that have turned out to be false effect our trust?

Does it make a difference that Comey moments after the alleged incident wrote a mem-con (memo of conversation) detailing the conversation and sent it to his staff and others make his claim more believable?
 
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Glad you phrased it as "telling the truth." It's entirely possible that Trump has no memory of the event or has convinced himself that something totally different happened.

It would be therefore difficult to say he was a lying, a charge that implies the competence to form intent.
 
TraneWreck said:
Glad you phrased it as "telling the truth." It's entirely possible that Trump has no memory of the event or has convinced himself that something totally different happened.

It would be therefore difficult to say he was a lying, a charge that implies the competence to form intent.
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So, he better hope there is a "tape" of the meeting? ;)
 
madurobob said:
So, he better hope there is a "tape" of the meeting? ;)
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He put it in quotes - that could mean tape as in recording, as in scotch, or as in worm.

He's left himself some possibilities.

Or it could mean a recording of Obama smoking weed in 1975.
 
The Don said:
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That said, IMO Comey is the more reliable witness by several orders of magnitude.
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Supporting that, many observers note that FBI agents are trained to document everything, and their reports are generally considered reliable evidence in legal proceedings. I think the fact that Comey not only wrote his memos but shared them with colleagues at the time is decisive.
 
Trump is well known for being truthful, trustworthy and above all else a highly principled man. Of course he would never ever lie.
 
Bob001 said:
Supporting that, many observers note that FBI agents are trained to document everything, and their reports are generally considered reliable evidence in legal proceedings. I think the fact that Comey not only wrote his memos but shared them with colleagues at the time is decisive.
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Yes, people have been convicted largely on those sorts of memos.
 
I'm still waiting for an authoritative confirmation that Comey actually told Trump that he wasn't under investigation by the FBI. Trump said Comey had done so not just once but thrice.
 
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