Who actually committed the crime on 9/11?

[bwinwright]

Clearly this forum entertains a lot of very intelligent folks who think of themselves as scientific critical thinking investigators. Personally, I don't see how anyone can "watch" the video of the WTC Building Number 7 collapse and believe it just fell down so beautifully..all from fatigue?

Since the FBI said they don't have any evidence linking either Osama or Saddam to the crime on 9/11, who do you feel actually did commit this crime?

Of course, when you express your opinion about this you will be labeled a Conspiracy Theorist. To Hell with the critics. Show some backbone and say what you think, even if you're wrong.

Personally, I think Francesco Cossiga was telling the truth, not just being sarcastic, when he said the CIA and MOSSAD ran the operation. I could be wrong. Please share your thoughts on this matter.

 

[SDC]

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! In another thread, I suggested that a new law be instituted, parallel to Godwin's Law (which refers to when Nazi Germany is dragged into a discussion), but referring to the Mossad. Another poster (alas, I forget who) said it should be called "Yahwehwin's Law."

Heck, this is outstanding. Bwinwright hit it right away. I'm proud, yet humbled.

 

[uk_dave]

Clearly this forum entertains a lot of very intelligent folks who think of themselves as scientific critical thinking investigators.

You're too kind

Personally, I don't see how anyone can "watch" the video of the WTC Building Number 7 collapse and believe it just fell down so beautifully..all from fatigue?

Oh how we laughed. Such wit.
Your personal incredulity based upon a complete lack of understanding of steel structures and the effects of structural damage and fire? Not good enough for me. Sorry try again.

Since the FBI said they don't have any evidence linking either Osama or Saddam to the crime on 9/11, who do you feel actually did commit this crime?

Well, it won't hurt if Osama gave himself up then and agreed to stand trial, would it?
You just threw the Saddam thing in for kicks, right?

Of course, when you express your opinion about this you will be labeled a Conspiracy Theorist. To Hell with the critics. Show some backbone and say what you think, even if you're wrong.

You're a conspiracy theorist.
You're wrong.
Better?

Personally, I think Francesco Cossiga was telling the truth, not just being sarcastic, when he said the CIA and MOSSAD ran the operation. I could be wrong. Please share your thoughts on this matter.

Your thoughts aren't really worth alot without evidence to back them up

 

[Gazpacho]

Clearly this forum entertains a lot of very intelligent folks who think of themselves as scientific critical thinking investigators. Personally, I don't see how anyone can "watch" the video of the WTC Building Number 7 collapse and believe it just fell down so beautifully..all from fatigue?

Who said it did?

"Fatigue" is a term with very specific meaning that building engineers do not use by accident.

 

[JimBenArm]

The collapse of building 7 wasn't from "fatigue" whatever that is supposed to be. It was from a combination of damage from debris from the collapse of 1 & 2, and unfought fires raging inside it for hours. How it "looked" is immaterial.

 

[sinclairmcevoy]

Say what you think, right or wrong. If you're right, you'll have to prove it. If you're wrong, it will proven for you. If you still choose to be wrong, it shows you have a backbone, but it's not connected to much.

 

[Wowbagger]

Personally, I don't see how anyone can "watch" the video of the WTC Building Number 7 collapse and believe it just fell down so beautifully..all from fatigue?

Neither can I. I don't think "fatigue" had anything to do with it, at all.

I suspect it must have been the fires.
(Or, perhaps you meant "fires" instead of "fatigue"?)

Of course, when you express your opinion about this you will be labeled a Conspiracy Theorist.

We generally don't care what your opinion is. But, if you make a claim of "fact", we require good evidence.

To Hell with the critics. Show some backbone and say what you think, even if you're wrong.

Yeah! That's the attitude! Just make sure you stick with opinions, and don't try to make false claims of "fact". To Hell with those who disagree with your mere opinions!!

 

[Par]

I don't see how anyone can "watch" the video of the WTC Building Number 7 collapse and believe it just fell down so beautifully..all from fatigue?

I’ve never heard anyone claim that World Trade Center building 7 collapsed merely due to fatigue. (Incidentally, why is the word “watch” in quotation marks? Also, in what way was the collapse “beautiful”?)

 

[Par]

Since the FBI said they don't have any evidence linking either Osama or Saddam to the crime on 9/11, who do you feel actually did commit this crime?

Al-Qaeda. (Incidentally, the FBI have not stated that they have no evidence to link Osama bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks. Further, why have you mentioned Saddam?)

 

[johnny karate]

Show some backbone and say what you think, even if you're wrong.

Finally a CTer says something I can agree with.

I can't speak for everyone on this forum, but I personally subscribe to what is termed the "official version" of events. Read the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST Report for more details.

So how about putting your money where your mouth is and heed your own advice? Please give a detailed description of what you think happened on 9/11 and who you think is responsible and why. Remember to offer explanations that fit all of the evidence, and for any evidence you decide to exclude or disregard, please offer a reason for doing so.

Now... let's see if you will be the first CTer in the history of ever to actually do this.

 

[Donal]

WTC 7 collapsed because of debris from Tower 2 crashed into it and tore out about 25% of the southside of the building and caused many fires on several levels.

These fires raged for several hours because the rescue and recovery operation of the Towers was considered more important.

When it became apparent WTC 7 was rapidly losing structural integrity, the FDNY decided it was safest to evacuate the building.

 

[GStan]

Clearly this forum entertains a lot of very intelligent folks who think of themselves as scientific critical thinking investigators. Personally, I don't see how anyone can "watch" the video of the WTC Building Number 7 collapse and believe it just fell down so beautifully..all from fatigue?

Buy one fallacy, get one free. Cool! I'll take an argument from incredulity and a strawman both in one question.

Since the FBI said they don't have any evidence linking either Osama or Saddam to the crime on 9/11, who do you feel actually did commit this crime?

The name your looking for is Mohamed Atta. He flew the plane into the North Tower, which later collapsed into WTC7, dooming it.

Of course, when you express your opinion about this you will be labeled a Conspiracy Theorist. To Hell with the critics. Show some backbone and say what you think, even if you're wrong.

That's right, critics be damned. I foolishly believe 19 religious ideologues hijacked 4 airplanes and crashed them into U.S. buildings. Label me a CTist if you must.

Personally, I think Francesco Cossiga was telling the truth, not just being sarcastic, when he said the CIA and MOSSAD ran the operation. I could be wrong. Please share your thoughts on this matter.

Hurry! Act now and I'll throw in one more argument from incredulity at no additional cost.

You are wrong. If you want to show, or even remotely suggest, otherwise, please construct a better argument, perhaps supported by at least one fact.

 

[HawksFan]

Huh. I thought it was rather obvious that the 19 hijackers on the planes were the ones who actually committed the crimes on 911.

Granted, there were others who were involved in the conspiracy to plan the crimes, but they didn't actually commit the crimes.

 

[Pardalis]

Clearly this forum entertains a lot of very intelligent folks who think of themselves as scientific critical thinking investigators.

Since the FBI said they don't have any evidence linking either Osama or Saddam to the crime on 9/11, who do you feel actually did commit this crime?

I'll stop you right there. "Feeling" has nothing to do with scientific critical thinking.

Try again next time.

 

[MWare]

What about Norway?

 

[Donal]

Huh. I thought it was rather obvious that the 19 hijackers on the planes were the ones who actually committed the crimes on 911.

Granted, there were others who were involved in the conspiracy to plan the crimes, but they didn't actually commit the crimes.

Technically, conspiracy to commit a crime is a crime itself. Thats how mob bosses go to prison. If I pay you to kill someone, I am as responsible for his death as you are, legally speaking.

 

[JimBenArm]

What about Norway?

Yes, does it have an alibi? Where was it, and what was it doing at the time in question?

 

[Spindrift]

I could be wrong.

You can dismiss any lingering doubts you may have, you are wrong.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Who actually committed the crime on 9/11?

19 Radical Islamic Terrorists, as the ones who carried the plot out. Khalid Sheik Mohammed, as the planner. Osama Bin Laden, as the (for lack of a better term), Godfather of the operation.

Assertions to the contrary have been discussed in this forum and demonstrated to be wrong. Other claims can be examined, but must be exceptionally compelling to overcome the weight of the evidence against those listed above.

 

[GStan]

Yes, does it have an alibi? Where was it, and what was it doing at the time in question?

He was out partying with Sweden all night, and can you blame him? Have you ever seen Sweden? She's way hot.