White vs Black - from an employment perspective.

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Having some spare time over christmas, I decided to get some actual statistics on my employees and what percentages of trouble came from black/brown* vs white employees. The idea came about as my accounts woman kept complaining about the extra work she was required to do for things which have nothing to do with us as employers, but for which we are required to do additional work with no recompense.

We have had a total of 212 employees over the past year.

The first thing I looked at was enforced child support - being my accounts clerk's main issue. This is when a liable parent does not pay his dues so the employer is forced to deduct money from the employees wages and pay it direct to the government agency.

We received notices for 86%, yes eighty-six percent, of black employees that we were to deduct child support from their wages. As of right now, we don't have a single black employee who is not having child support deductions taken direct from wages.

Only 11% of white employees had the same problem.

Unpaid fines also attract garnishee orders by the Justice Department, and while 22% of black employees were given notice of deduction, no white employees fell into the same trap.

We do pre-employment drug testing and while some 10% of whites failed the test, 33% of blacks did. 4% and 12% respectively of drug-test candidates failed to turn up for their tests.

Of employees sacked during the year, 6% of black employees were deemed to have walked off the job by being absent without contact for three days, while only .5% of white employees did the same thing.

The only employees sacked for being violent at work were black - three during the year.

Sick leave was another area of concern and it was notable that 40% of black employees used their full sick leave entitlement while only 8% of whites did.

I have the records for anyone wishing to check, although I cannot give names, obviously.

* I am using the generic term "black" although the more correct word would be brown since we are talking almost exclusively about Polynesian/Maori.
 
And what did you wish to discuss?

Nothing in particular - I just found the facts interesting and thought I'd share them. People with no interest probably won't bother replying.

Your point was?

Out of curiosity, what's your breakdown for white and non-white?

You mean basic numbers?

134 white and 78 non-white.

Are the backgrounds and education of the employees the same regardless of colour?

Pretty much, yep. Similar age, experience & qualifications.
 
* I am using the generic term "black" although the more correct word would be brown since we are talking almost exclusively about Polynesian/Maori.

So why don't you use the more correct words?

Is 'black' now the term for anybody who acts violently and lazy?

Nothing in particular - I just found the facts interesting and thought I'd share them. People with no interest probably won't bother replying.

So what conclusions do you draw from this sampling?
 
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Since 86% of your black employees seem to be absent fathers, it stands to reason that if that is a trend in their community, it is fairly likely their own fathers were absent.

I wonder if you ran your statistics against employees who came from a low income, single parent home, you might find the same or even greater correlation.

Other interesting trends to cover.
Run groups who were breast fed vs formula fed.
Groups who attended pre-school vs those that did not.

Both are trends where African American communities, across class and income lines are at a disadvantage here in the states. What are the similar issues where you live?
 
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Nothing in particular - I just found the facts interesting and thought I'd share them. People with no interest probably won't bother replying.

So the black/brown people you work with are more likely to be violent in the workplace, more likely to get caught using drugs and don't pay their child support as much as the white people you work with and you find this "interesting" and wanted to share? Any you want people with a similar "interest" to discuss this here?

Do I have that right?
 
You mean basic numbers?

134 white and 78 non-white.

Yes, that is what I was asking. I was curious to see if sample size could explain it all (like if you had only 3 whites). I don't recall where you're located. Do you mind saying?
 
So the black/brown people you work with are more likely to be violent in the workplace, more likely to get caught using drugs and don't pay their child support as much as the white people you work with and you find this "interesting" and wanted to share? Any you want people with a similar "interest" to discuss this here?

Do I have that right?

Honestly, it's TheAtheist here.

I'm skeptical his numbers were not even pulled out of his arse.
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...so for the people you classify as "black": what percentage were Maori, what percentage were Samoan, what percentage were Tongan, etc.
 
Was that the point though? Was that even what he wanted to discuss?

...so for the people you classify as "black": what percentage were Maori, what percentage were Samoan, what percentage were Tongan, etc.

Exactly. What was the reason for him to group them together under one label?
 
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Gesh; I didn't even have time to delete my comment. I just think it's a horrible idea to discuss these data if one depends on his pay check to pay his mortgage.
 
Why? There are clear problems with the Maori/Polynesian communities in New Zealand. Why can this not be discussed?

...I am half-Samoan and half Maori. Yeah, there are problems. But Maori are different from Samoan communities and are different from Tongan communities and are different from Chinese communities. I have lived in New Zealand all of my life and this is the very first time I have ever heard anyone lumping Maori/Polynesians together as black. So yeah: if you want to discuss race issues in New Zealand I don't have a problem with it. But the turn-of-phrase used by the OP is so unusual I do not have trust that his figures nor his interpretation nor the agenda that lies behind it.
 
...I am half-Samoan and half Maori. Yeah, there are problems. But Maori are different from Samoan communities and are different from Tongan communities and are different from Chinese communities. I have lived in New Zealand all of my life and this is the very first time I have ever heard anyone lumping Maori/Polynesians together as black. So yeah: if you want to discuss race issues in New Zealand I don't have a problem with it. But the turn-of-phrase used by the OP is so unusual I do not have trust that his figures nor his interpretation nor the agenda that lies behind it.
Fair enough and I didn't mean to cause offence. FWIW I don't believe that The Atheist is making up the figures.
 
Fair enough and I didn't mean to cause offence. FWIW I don't believe that The Atheist is making up the figures.

No offense taken at all.

...but the figures are outlandish. I have been involved in employing staff in the hospo industry for a very long time and they certainly do not ring true-especially as he has decided to lump in anyone with dark skin as black and apparently he/she does not have any Asian employees.

How many black employees do you have The Atheist? 86% of a very small number wouldn't be very statistically significant.

...and The Atheist, what colour do you classify Indians or Pakistanis? And dare I say it, what colour would you classify West Indians?
 

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