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Where was 9/11 plotted? Germany? Afghanistan? Pakistan?

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What about Saudi Arabia and the UAE - were there individuals in those countries who “steered” people (hijackers) and funds toward the plot? What about Yemen and the “switchboard?” Or the Southeast Asia meetings?

What about individuals in the United States itself?
 
What about the Jews? What about aliens? What about alien Jews? What about alien Jews with limps?

For the love of God, think of the children!
 
According to testimonies made from Khalid Sheikh Muhammed (KSM) and Ramzi bin al-Shibh to Al Jazeera reporter, Yosri Fouda, the planning came from KSM which ten planes were to be hijacked, with 9 crashing into targets and the final plane piloted by KSM himself where all the men were to be slaughtered with women and children surviving as the plane touches down and he gives a media interview to why the operation took place. The idea of hijacking planes and crashing them into U.S targets came from Bojinka Plot, which had 4 phases to it and was an international terrorist operation constructed by Ramzi Yousef, KSM nephew and KSM himself with additional fundraisers financing the plot, which didnt materialize. The 9/11 operation had numerous fundraisers from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan but their links have been "covered up" by elements within the State Department who have a close relationship with Saudi Arabia.
 
According to testimonies made from Khalid Sheikh Muhammed (KSM) and Ramzi bin al-Shibh to Al Jazeera reporter, Yosri Fouda, the planning came from KSM which ten planes were to be hijacked, with 9 crashing into targets and the final plane piloted by KSM himself where all the men were to be slaughtered with women and children surviving as the plane touches down and he gives a media interview to why the operation took place. The idea of hijacking planes and crashing them into U.S targets came from Bojinka Plot, which had 4 phases to it and was an international terrorist operation constructed by Ramzi Yousef, KSM nephew and KSM himself with additional fundraisers financing the plot, which didnt materialize. The 9/11 operation had numerous fundraisers from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan but their links have been "covered up" by elements within the State Department who have a close relationship with Saudi Arabia.


Evidence?
 
Yes, the 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry. It is still redacted in some areas. Not to mention, Zelikow who headed the 9/11 Commission doesnt want the document unredacted for public view.

" Philip D. Zelikow, who was executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and has read the pages, thinks they should remains secret. Now a professor of history at the University of Virginia, Zelikow compared the 28 pages to grand jury testimony and raw police interviews—full of unproven facts, rumors and innuendo. If the government did decide to make them public, he said, "hundreds, if not thousands" of additional pages of interviews would also likely need to be declassified."

https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arab...ack-obama-prince-bandar-bin-sultan-bob-297170

Not to mention the two Saudi Intelligence officials, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Basnan who financed two of the American Airlines Flight 77 hijackers, were never arrested nor detained inside the United States by the FBI. They were in fact even interviewed by the 9/11 Commission in Saudi Arabia, and both men denied ever knowing al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi yet these men and their wives received money from U.S-Saudi Ambassador wife, Haifa bint Faisal, which were given to al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi in 2000 and 2001.

"“On at least one occasion,” the report says, “Bassnan received a check directly from Prince Bandar’s account. According to the FBI, on May 14, 1998, Bassnan cashed a check from Bandar in the amount of $15,000. Bassnan’s wife also received at least one check directly from Bandar.”

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/28-pages-saudi-intel-may-have-had-hand-in-911.html
 
Yes, the 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry. It is still redacted in some areas. Not to mention, Zelikow who headed the 9/11 Commission doesnt want the document unredacted for public view.

" Philip D. Zelikow, who was executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and has read the pages, thinks they should remains secret. Now a professor of history at the University of Virginia, Zelikow compared the 28 pages to grand jury testimony and raw police interviews—full of unproven facts, rumors and innuendo. If the government did decide to make them public, he said, "hundreds, if not thousands" of additional pages of interviews would also likely need to be declassified."

https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arab...ack-obama-prince-bandar-bin-sultan-bob-297170

Not to mention the two Saudi Intelligence officials, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Basnan who financed two of the American Airlines Flight 77 hijackers, were never arrested nor detained inside the United States by the FBI. They were in fact even interviewed by the 9/11 Commission in Saudi Arabia, and both men denied ever knowing al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi yet these men and their wives received money from U.S-Saudi Ambassador wife, Haifa bint Faisal, which were given to al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi in 2000 and 2001.

"“On at least one occasion,” the report says, “Bassnan received a check directly from Prince Bandar’s account. According to the FBI, on May 14, 1998, Bassnan cashed a check from Bandar in the amount of $15,000. Bassnan’s wife also received at least one check directly from Bandar.”

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/28-pages-saudi-intel-may-have-had-hand-in-911.html

Interesting stuff, but none of it is evidence of a "cover up by elements within the State Department"

Try harder!
 
Interesting stuff, but none of it is evidence of a "cover up by elements within the State Department"

Try harder!

Well if you dont consider redacted information which shows Saudi funding coming straight from the U.S-Saudi Ambassador (Bandan bin Sultan) in which was never investigated in the first place...not to mention Zelikows own admission that the 28 pages from the Joint Inquiry should remain redacted from public view.....then i dont know what else to tell you.

Even just weeks ago, they are still covering up key Saudi financiers of the 9/11 attacks so that the 91/1 victims families lawsuits against the Kingdom cannot hold them accountable. This is public information but then again if you are a staunch defender of either side, you will only look at information which suits your narrative.

"The Trump administration decided Thursday to declassify a key name long sought by relatives of 9/11 victims who are suing Saudi Arabia over allegations of that country's involvement, but declined to release the name publicly."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...pected-disclosing-key-name-9-11-suit-n1053201
 
Didn't know i was a "truther". And i do provide additional information for things i post if asked.


Okay. Then let me be the first to tell you: you are a truther.


*15 years ago, I was having frequent bouts of thirst and equally frequent elimination of the water. On a recommendation from my cousin, I went to an endocrinologist. She asked, "How long have you been diabetic?" I answered, "That's the thing. Nobody has actually told me I'm diabetic." And she replied, "Okay, you're diabetic."
 
Okay. Then let me be the first to tell you: you are a truther.


*15 years ago, I was having frequent bouts of thirst and equally frequent elimination of the water. On a recommendation from my cousin, I went to an endocrinologist. She asked, "How long have you been diabetic?" I answered, "That's the thing. Nobody has actually told me I'm diabetic." And she replied, "Okay, you're diabetic."

What is your definition of a "truther" in this context.
 
Well if you dont consider redacted information which shows Saudi funding coming straight from the U.S-Saudi Ambassador (Bandan bin Sultan) in which was never investigated in the first place...not to mention Zelikows own admission that the 28 pages from the Joint Inquiry should remain redacted from public view.....then i dont know what else to tell you.

Question: If its redacted, how do you know what is behind the black ink?

Answer: Pure speculation on your part.

Question: How do you know that information is not redacted for reasons other then those you are guessing at, for example, to protect sources, or assets, or innocent third parties?

Answer: You don't, and nor do I, and nor does anyone who does not have a sufficiently high security clearance.

Even just weeks ago, they are still covering up key Saudi financiers of the 9/11 attacks so that the 91/1 victims families lawsuits against the Kingdom cannot hold them accountable. This is public information but then again if you are a staunch defender of either side, you will only look at information which suits your narrative.

"The Trump administration decided Thursday to declassify a key name long sought by relatives of 9/11 victims who are suing Saudi Arabia over allegations of that country's involvement, but declined to release the name publicly."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...pected-disclosing-key-name-9-11-suit-n1053201

In conspiracy world, "redacted" automatically means "cover up".

In the real world, they do not. There are never valid reasons for a cover up, but there are perfectly valid reasons for information to be redacted.
 
Question: If its redacted, how do you know what is behind the black ink?

Answer: Pure speculation on your part.

Question: How do you know that information is not redacted for reasons other then those you are guessing at, for example, to protect sources, or assets, or innocent third parties?

Answer: You don't, and nor do I, and nor does anyone who does not have a sufficiently high security clearance.



In conspiracy world, "redacted" automatically means "cover up".

In the real world, they do not. There are never valid reasons for a cover up, but there are perfectly valid reasons for information to be redacted.


How do you know that information is not redacted for reasons other then those you are guessing at, for example, to protect sources, or assets, or innocent third parties?

This information which is redacted in the Joint Inquiry was asked to be cleared for public view so that the 9/11 victims families, whom is suing the Saudi Kingdom for the 9/11 attacks, can be used in NY District Court. Its why i posted that link so you can read it yourself. The State department will not make it publicly view-able. Its quite clear from the JASTA Act what the goal to making all information public is seen here:

"Kreindler & Kreindler, however, will file suit against Saudi Arabia on behalf of all injured persons and will seek to prove that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia should be held responsible for aiding, abetting and sponsoring the attacks and should be made to pay for all the injuries that flowed from its conduct."

https://www.kreindler.com/9-11-Terror-Attacks-Justice-Against-Sponsors-of-Terrorism-Act.shtml

"In conspiracy world, "redacted" automatically means "cover up". Yes, maybe if you were talking to a conspiracy theorist, one of which im not a part of sir. Im a skeptic of the events of September 11th. Nothing and nowhere in any of my posts do i delve into the "fantastical". Yes there is a cover up happening here in regards to the Saudi Kingdom and the State Department, even Bob Graham, co chair of the Joint Inquiry admits this everywhere he speaks. To Graham he doesn't use "cover-up" anymore, he labels it "aggressive deception".

"So could you explain particularly this last couple of sentences, “Primarily before the event. After the event, it shifts from being an action that supports the activities to Saudis to actions that cover up the results of that permission given to the Saudis to act”? So can you elaborate on that?"

Bob Graham: "Well, and I’ll get to the why question: why would the U.S. government have done this? And let me say, I no longer use the words cover up to describe what’s going on. I find more accurate the words aggressive deception. The federal government has attempted to rewrite the narrative of 9/11 in order to exclude the role of the Saudis from that horrific story.

Why did they do it? I think there are a number of reasons. Some of them relate to the longtime, special, personal relationship between the Bush family and the Saudi Kingdom–goes back three generations to Herbert Walker Bush’s father, Prescott Bush, a senator from Connecticut.

I think it also involves the long relationship that started in World War II when the United States essentially committed to provide security to the Saudis. The Saudis committed to provide a reliable source of petroleum to the United States and its allies.

And I think there’s another issue here. And that is, if you’ll recall, at the World Trade Center after 9/11, the president, with a bullhorn, said words to the effect that we are going to follow anyone who was found to have been in any way connected to this murder and that we will follow them to the ends of the earth–pretty strong words. And certainly, shortly thereafter, much of the information that you have outlined became available to the president.

Problem: the president wanted to go to war with Iraq, and he has painted at the site of the crime a path that looks like it’s going directly to the Saudis, but that’s not the destination he wants. So what do you do? You have to suppress all the information that would cause people to think that the Saudis were the people that he was talking about with the bullhorn at the World Trade Center and get the country prepared and willing to go to war against a country which was subsequently found out to have virtually, if not totally, nothing to do with 9/11."

https://therealnews.com/stories/sen...e-of-bandar-and-saudis-in-9-11-attacks-pt-1-2
 
1. That some Saudis gave money to Al Qaeda has been known since 9/12/2001.

2. There are 15,000 members of the Saudi Royal family.

3. Bin Laden was a millionaire as were other Al Qaeda members.

One of Al Qaeda's long term goals was the removal of the Saudi royal family from power in Saudi Arabia so that it would assume control. The question I'd love to ask those Saudi's who donated money to Al Qaeda was how much did they know about Al Qaeda's ultimate objectives? Did they hope to step into a ruling position after Al Qaeda took over?

The bigger question is did the Saudi donors know they were helping to fund an attack on the United States?

Saudis are window dressing. The fact is that Al Qaeda gets its money from a diverse illegal financial operation:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/rgs_dissertations/RGSD185.html

The ugly fact is that even if tomorrow we find out the King of Saudi Arabia financed and knew about the attacks of 911 in detail the United States isn't going to sever ties, or impose sanctions, or stop selling weapons, or hesitate to come their defense if Iran should threaten.

And that is the bottom line.
 
1. That some Saudis gave money to Al Qaeda has been known since 9/12/2001.

2. There are 15,000 members of the Saudi Royal family.

3. Bin Laden was a millionaire as were other Al Qaeda members.

One of Al Qaeda's long term goals was the removal of the Saudi royal family from power in Saudi Arabia so that it would assume control. The question I'd love to ask those Saudi's who donated money to Al Qaeda was how much did they know about Al Qaeda's ultimate objectives? Did they hope to step into a ruling position after Al Qaeda took over?

The bigger question is did the Saudi donors know they were helping to fund an attack on the United States?

Saudis are window dressing. The fact is that Al Qaeda gets its money from a diverse illegal financial operation:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/rgs_dissertations/RGSD185.html

The ugly fact is that even if tomorrow we find out the King of Saudi Arabia financed and knew about the attacks of 911 in detail the United States isn't going to sever ties, or impose sanctions, or stop selling weapons, or hesitate to come their defense if Iran should threaten.

And that is the bottom line.

This comment in bold is an absolute certainty, due to the fact the United States gas and oil companies and other Congressional members are profiting from their oil reserves and due to the fact that the Saudi Lobby donates tens of millions to Congress annually, the Saudi Lobby is also the oldest Foreign Lobby which donates the most money as well.
 
Problem: the president wanted to go to war with Iraq, and he has painted at the site of the crime a path that looks like it’s going directly to the Saudis, but that’s not the destination he wants. So what do you do? You have to suppress all the information that would cause people to think that the Saudis were the people that he was talking about with the bullhorn at the World Trade Center and get the country prepared and willing to go to war against a country which was subsequently found out to have virtually, if not totally, nothing to do with 9/11."

Old theory. Doesn't hold water.

1. Most average Americans wanted to "finish the job" in Iraq. If you walked into any bar in any of the 50 states between 1992 and 2002 you would have heard someone droning on and on about how we should have kicked Saddam's *** in 1991, especially after they'd take shots at our planes patrolling the No-Fly Zone.

2. After 911 American's wanted blood. We didn't care whose blood. If they so much as looked at us sideways and had a Middle Eastern accent we were more than happy to bomb the crap out of them.

3. Iraq looked at us sideways.

And by the way, our invasion of Iraq is consistent with the "CIA Let It Happen" crowd's vision of over-reacting to a remote and unproven threat based solely on past events.

The US and Saudi Arabia have been allies since 1951. There were only a total of 12 years with a Bush in the White House. Our ties with the Kingdom run deep, 911 isn't even the most evil thing we've helped them cover up.
 
Old theory. Doesn't hold water.

1. Most average Americans wanted to "finish the job" in Iraq. If you walked into any bar in any of the 50 states between 1992 and 2002 you would have heard someone droning on and on about how we should have kicked Saddam's *** in 1991, especially after they'd take shots at our planes patrolling the No-Fly Zone.

2. After 911 American's wanted blood. We didn't care whose blood. If they so much as looked at us sideways and had a Middle Eastern accent we were more than happy to bomb the crap out of them.

3. Iraq looked at us sideways.

And by the way, our invasion of Iraq is consistent with the "CIA Let It Happen" crowd's vision of over-reacting to a remote and unproven threat based solely on past events.

The US and Saudi Arabia have been allies since 1951. There were only a total of 12 years with a Bush in the White House. Our ties with the Kingdom run deep, 911 isn't even the most evil thing we've helped them cover up.

Im in agreement with most everything you stated here. Most people don't realize the depth of U.S-Saudi relations or how far back it goes. even thou we are so diametrically opposed in regards to how are countries formed. It begs the question however, how much further can our disregard for human life go, in order to protect, irresponsibly, our connection to Saudi Oil and its Lobby annual funding. I suspect quite low as this point. never could understand how people do not accept the United States is morally lacking when it comes to our elected government.
 

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