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Where is the tax cut?

Tricky

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Didn't our wonderful president railroad a tax cut through Congress earlier this year? I seem to remember reading something about it, yet I have never received a refund check. I had planned to donate it to charity, but it seems that the check was lost in the mail. Has anybody else here had a similar experience?
 
It's just as well...If you recall the last "tax cut check," when you filled out your return you were basically told, "Okay, now send it back."
 
No, no, no -- you don't understand.

Think of the tax cut like a pie. One half goes to the wealthy, one half goes to the poor, and the last half is what you receive in the check.

;)
 
Tricky said:
Didn't our wonderful president railroad a tax cut through Congress earlier this year? I seem to remember reading something about it, yet I have never received a refund check. I had planned to donate it to charity, but it seems that the check was lost in the mail. Has anybody else here had a similar experience?


If you don't make enough to pay taxes (you), you don't get a refund.

I do not fall into that category. I make a very comfortable living, for which I struggle like most people (not you), and I'm pleased to keep more of what I earn from my years of personal sacrifice.
 
I got my $800 bribe this summer cause I have 2 kids.

Pissed it away on sillyness and computer parts, as is my duty as a good consumer.

Since the new withholding rules went into effect, my net pay has gone up $4.32 every 2 weeks.

Wonder how much my bosses has?
 
I don't know. I got mine. Did you get married and take your wife's last name? :p

Either that or Bush knows how much you've been dissing him on the net. :nope:


Seriously, check out this link for resources to find out where to find out where to file the papers in triplicate:

Still waiting for that IRS rebate check?

And no, 900 number sex talk phone lines are not listed as "charities" ;)
 
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American said:

I make a very comfortable living, for which I struggle like most people (not you), and I'm pleased to keep more of what I earn from my years of personal sacrifice.
http://www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/1326/1/90/

This Administration has not made reducing the size and effectiveness of government a stated goal; however, the strides that are being made to devolve responsibilities to the states and to privatize government functions, deregulate and limit government oversight, and defund government by reducing federal (and often state) revenue through huge tax cuts, make the words unnecessary.
I'm doing my part to defund central government even more quickly by working Sundays, too.
 
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Frank Newgent said:

http://www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/1326/1/90/

This Administration has not made reducing the size and effectiveness of government a stated goal; however, the strides that are being made to devolve responsibilities to the states and to privatize government functions, deregulate and limit government oversight, and defund government by reducing federal (and often state) revenue through huge tax cuts, make the words unnecessary.

No, the words are not unnecessary, especially when Bush has increased the US budget at a rate not seen by any president since LBJ. What does it matter if he's getting rid of some unnecessary boondoggles when he's adding on so many more unnecessary boondoggles of his own?
 
American said:
If you don't make enough to pay taxes (you), you don't get a refund.

I do not fall into that category. I make a very comfortable living, for which I struggle like most people (not you), and I'm pleased to keep more of what I earn from my years of personal sacrifice.
LOL. My, aren't you the presumptuous one! Though I do not know it for certain, I suspect my household income is greater than yours since we are DINKS and I work for an oil company. Together, we are in about the 33% tax bracket.

Pepe, thank you for the link. I will look into it. My reason for creating this thread was to see if others have had similar experiences. If I were a conspiracy buff, I would almost put credence in your "Bush-dissers don't get refunds" scenario. Or perhaps it was deliberate such that only people who have tax lawyers are able to get their refunds. That way they get to have a tax cut (on paper) and still keep some of the money.
 
We didn't get one, but we are "DINKS" as well. According to my tax person, being married cost us $1500 last year. I would like to see them straighten that out, because that bothers me.

The only other beef I have is with the way gambling winnings are treated. The only reason I get to net my losses against my winnings is because I itemize. On my state return I don't even get to do that, so the upside is I pay a huge amount of taxes on my poker winnings. If I declared myself a professional gambler I'd immediately save at least a thousand per year just on the taxes alone, but I can't as the regulations about who can declare that are unusual and restrictive.
 
Tricky said:

...we are DINKS...
Hey, guess I'm a SECONDS SAM (self employed contributing double social security and Medicare).

http://www.funwithtaxes.com/Past_Articles/2_9_98.htm

The self-employed person pays the entire amount of his Social Security and Medicare tax. If he earns $1,000, he must part with $153 (15.3%). The employee who earns $1,000, has 7.65% or $76.50 withheld from his pay, so he only receives $923.50 of the $1,000 he earned (this calculation is exclusive of any consideration for income tax withholding). His employer sends the withheld $76.50 along with a matching amount of $76.50 to the Social Security Administration on behalf of the employee, for a total of $153 – the same the self-employed person pays.
At least I know why I didn't get a refund check. But who's gonna tell the kids?

http://www.independent.org/tii/news/030521Tabarrok.html

To grasp the difference between a tax cut and a tax shift, we must first understand that what ultimately drives taxes is spending. If spending increases, as it has under the current administration, then sooner or later taxes must increase (or inflation, a type of tax, will go up). Milton Friedman, the libertarian-leaning Nobel prize-winning economist, has long reminded us to be suspicious of any tax cut not matched by a spending cut. If spending isn’t cut, then less taxes today means more taxes tomorrow. Thus, the Bush tax cut plan is really a plan for future tax increases.

Whether taxes go up today or tomorrow would be a small matter but for the fact that future taxes are already scheduled to rise because of demographic changes. The aging of the baby-boomers means that Social Security and Medicare spending will rise tremendously in the next several decades. To finance these jumps in spending, it’s been estimated that taxes will have to rise 50 percent on a lifetime basis (assuming we don’t cut benefits severely). Thus Bush is shifting taxes to precisely a time when future taxes will be increasing for other reasons. Sound tax policy aims to smooth taxes over time, not to concentrate them so that we take our hits in one staggering blow.

Against these considerable negatives are some small positives. First, a tax cut has a small short-term stimulative effect, but the key word is small. Conservatives have long argued, correctly, that “fine-tuning” the economy is a chimera, but that argument seems to have disappeared from the conservative handbook. (Perhaps it is hiding alongside the arguments against “nation building” and “federalizing education.”)

Second, although Bush’s tax proposal does shift taxes away from capital (which, other things equal, would promote long-run economic growth), the mismatch between the tax cuts and spending increases means a rise in government borrowing to make up the difference. Some of this borrowing will come out of capital markets, thereby draining the source of private investment. Thus, on net, I don’t expect significant gains in long-run economic growth from these tax cuts.

Some conservatives recognize that the proposed tax cuts would create deficits long into the future, but they have a secret Machiavellian argument held in reserve. The Bush deficits, they believe, will force future administrations—presumably of a more liberal bent—to cut spending. Conservatives used to argue that the public didn’t want big government but was fooled by deficit financing and other hidden taxes into thinking that it costs less than it actually does. Today, conservatives seem to believe that the public does want big government and that the only way to curb government growth it is to fool the public with lower taxes today so that the costs of government will be so high tomorrow that no one will accept the offer. How cynical.
To come full circle: yeah, I know. Self-employment tax is capped at $87,000 this year. Won't have to pay more than $13,311 to combined Social Security and Medicare.

Quick. Somebody sell me a friggin' bridge...
 

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