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Where did the Slaves come from?

Oliver

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I'm trying to find information about where the slaves in the United States originated from. Given the lack of information available online, it seems as if that question isn't much of an issue for some strange reason.

Were the people captured by white "slave hunters", "legally bought" from islamic slave markets - or what? Did Americans enslave those poor people - or were they already slaves in the first place, enslaved by non-americans?
 
This strikes me as one of the most blatant and heavy-handed attempts at a "just asking questions" tainted OP I've seen. Believe it or not, Oliver, most of us here know that most slaves brought to the USA from Africa were captured by other Africans and by Arab traders, and that the latter ran much of the wholesale market and commerce that transported the slaves to ports and sold them to the Europeans/Americans who shipped them into the USA. This has been taught in the USA schools since the 1960s as far as I recall.

The only surprise element to where this thread is intended to go is whether we are supposed to feel a loss of white guilt when Oliver helps us discover that the African slaves were already enslaved by other Africans, and therefore it wasn't "our" fault and we were actually helping those poor dark skinned people by providing them with better conditions than they had as slaves in Africa, or if we are supposed to learn that Muslims were once again the source of all evil. Perhaps our self-taught lesson was to be both.

I really do not wish to dwell much in a thread that was predicated as an insult to my intelligence and knowledge, but I will just ask Oliver to himself consider a few points before he continues this thread: How many people would have been captured and transported as slaves in the first place if the USA did not provide a huge market for them? How many Europeans and Americans (particularly New Englanders) played a direct role in the slave market by owning and running the slave ships that brought these people (under horrible conditions) to the USA and how many slaves died en route? How many Americans arranged and ran the slave markets that sold these people as property, often ripping apart families, once they reached the USA? How many people ended up enslaved from birth once slavery was firmly established in the USA, making the import of new slaves from Africa less necessary for the "strange institution" to be self-sustaining? I will not even go into all the abuse of slavery itself.

Oliver- a hint for the next time you try a "JAQ" foray: Your "Given the lack of information available online, it seems as if that question isn't much of an issue for some strange reason." was a dead giveaway. Lack of information? Ha! I've seen children's books with this information in them!
 
Oliver said:
I'm trying to find information about where the slaves in the United States originated from. Given the lack of information available online, it seems as if that question isn't much of an issue for some strange reason.

Were the people captured by white "slave hunters", "legally bought" from islamic slave markets - or what? Did Americans enslave those poor people - or were they already slaves in the first place, enslaved by non-americans?
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I should think bookcases groan under the weight of the books published on this topic. Odd that you're having difficulty.
 
Craig4 said:
I should think bookcases groan under the weight of the books published on this topic. Odd that you're having difficulty.
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I think the OP is looking only for video evidence
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Craig4 said:
I should think bookcases groan under the weight of the books published on this topic. Odd that you're having difficulty.
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Yeah but not online, how many people know about this ivory tower world of esoteric knowledge you blithely describe as "bookcases"?


Saying that there is a of course a shed load of information online about this topic.
 
autumn1971 said:
I think the OP is looking only for video evidence
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Edited for civility.
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The good news for Oliver is that I found over a million hits for "Origins of slavery" on youtube. Probably a number of them are by white supremacists, which may or may not be further good news for Oliver.
 
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Giordano said:
This strikes me as one of the most blatant and heavy-handed attempts at a "just asking questions" tainted OP I've seen. Believe it or not, Oliver, most of us here know that most slaves brought to the USA from Africa were captured by other Africans and by Arab traders, and that the latter ran much of the wholesale market and commerce that transported the slaves to ports and sold them to the Europeans/Americans who shipped them into the USA. This has been taught in the USA schools since the 1960s as far as I recall.

The only surprise element to where this thread is intended to go is whether we are supposed to feel a loss of white guilt when Oliver helps us discover that the African slaves were already enslaved by other Africans, and therefore it wasn't "our" fault and we were actually helping those poor dark skinned people by providing them with better conditions than they had as slaves in Africa, or if we are supposed to learn that Muslims were once again the source of all evil. Perhaps our self-taught lesson was to be both.

I really do not wish to dwell much in a thread that was predicated as an insult to my intelligence and knowledge, but I will just ask Oliver to himself consider a few points before he continues this thread: How many people would have been captured and transported as slaves in the first place if the USA did not provide a huge market for them? How many Europeans and Americans (particularly New Englanders) played a direct role in the slave market by owning and running the slave ships that brought these people (under horrible conditions) to the USA and how many slaves died en route? How many Americans arranged and ran the slave markets that sold these people as property, often ripping apart families, once they reached the USA? How many people ended up enslaved from birth once slavery was firmly established in the USA, making the import of new slaves from Africa less necessary for the "strange institution" to be self-sustaining? I will not even go into all the abuse of slavery itself.

Oliver- a hint for the next time you try a "JAQ" foray: Your "Given the lack of information available online, it seems as if that question isn't much of an issue for some strange reason." was a dead giveaway. Lack of information? Ha! I've seen children's books with this information in them!
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Giordano said:
... I really do not wish to dwell much in a thread that was predicated as an insult to my intelligence and knowledge, but I will just ask Oliver to himself consider a few points before he continues this thread: ...
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Come on, Giordano, you can't fool us!
We all know that the good Christian merchants of Europe only sailed to Africa because they couldn't stand the sight of enslaved black folks and wanted to offer them free passage across the Atlantic to the Land of the Free:
Slavery in Africa and the New World (Wikipedia) :)
 
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There was a semi-famous comment about the slavery issue and the idea to pay the descendant of those slave reparations. I remember one fellow replying - 'how will you get all those broke African nations to pay their share'?

That said the question is well researched - what is less well researched is the Arab slave trade that operated on the East Coast of Africa and the more traditional routes into north Africa.
 
Giordano said:
This strikes me as one of the most blatant and heavy-handed attempts at a "just asking questions" tainted OP I've seen. Believe it or not, Oliver, most of us here know that most slaves brought to the USA from Africa were captured by other Africans and by Arab traders, and that the latter ran much of the wholesale market and commerce that transported the slaves to ports and sold them to the Europeans/Americans who shipped them into the USA. This has been taught in the USA schools since the 1960s as far as I recall.

The only surprise element to where this thread is intended to go is whether we are supposed to feel a loss of white guilt when Oliver helps us discover that the African slaves were already enslaved by other Africans, and therefore it wasn't "our" fault and we were actually helping those poor dark skinned people by providing them with better conditions than they had as slaves in Africa, or if we are supposed to learn that Muslims were once again the source of all evil. Perhaps our self-taught lesson was to be both.

I really do not wish to dwell much in a thread that was predicated as an insult to my intelligence and knowledge, but I will just ask Oliver to himself consider a few points before he continues this thread: How many people would have been captured and transported as slaves in the first place if the USA did not provide a huge market for them? How many Europeans and Americans (particularly New Englanders) played a direct role in the slave market by owning and running the slave ships that brought these people (under horrible conditions) to the USA and how many slaves died en route? How many Americans arranged and ran the slave markets that sold these people as property, often ripping apart families, once they reached the USA? How many people ended up enslaved from birth once slavery was firmly established in the USA, making the import of new slaves from Africa less necessary for the "strange institution" to be self-sustaining? I will not even go into all the abuse of slavery itself.
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As well as how much increased demand for slaves as an international trade good increased native production of slaves.
 
I see "slaves" in the title. Then I see an avatar that includes jerky, disruptive animation. Then I see this sentence: "Given the lack of information available online, it seems as if that question isn't much of an issue for some strange reason." And then I still finished reading the post.

I should have just stopped at the title. I should know better by now. I guess a tiny part of me thought maybe it was going to be a discussion about the actual ethnic backgrounds of people who became slaves, which I don't think I know very much about. But I should have guessed it was a lead-in to more whitewashing crap.
 
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