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After a number of recent threads, especially one where KK mentioned how much she was looking forward to the Rapture, I thought I'd try to find out why people would think that it's imminent.
So - when's He returning?
I’ve done a bit of research about the “last days of mankind” and, here’s some stuff I found interesting… I did use the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible for the quotes, but rejected the stuff they had from the Old Testament, as that didn’t really read true for me.
LUKE
21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the starts; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken
21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
21:32 Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Actually, what the Romans did to Judea 66-70AD and again in 132-135AD seems to match Luke’s prognostications pretty accurately – so did the world come to an end then but nobody noticed? As Revelations mentions that only 144,000 celibate virgin men will be saved, why on Earth would KK be so excited?
From Revelations:
7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
By the way – it has been suggested that Luke’s Gospel was written after AD 70. In that case, maybe he’s doing a Nostradamus, then – creating an after-the-event forecast? Well, let’s face it, that’s the only way to guarantee accuracy.
And here's some more....
HEBREWS
10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
So – be patient for a little while…..
1 PETER
4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
Because the end of all things is at hand.
1 JOHN
2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Isn’t that just typical? – you wait thousands of years for an Antichrist, and then along come a whole bunch of them together!
REVELATION
1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
For those of us who haven’t got the message yet – He’s coming quickly!
Please, can somebody explain - when did the definition of such phrase as “at hand”, “is nigh”, “a little while”, “Shortly come to pass” and “come quickly” change to mean “more than 2,000 years, and still no show"?
OK - let the obfuscation and weak justifications commence.....
YBW
So - when's He returning?
I’ve done a bit of research about the “last days of mankind” and, here’s some stuff I found interesting… I did use the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible for the quotes, but rejected the stuff they had from the Old Testament, as that didn’t really read true for me.
LUKE
21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the starts; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken
21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
21:32 Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Actually, what the Romans did to Judea 66-70AD and again in 132-135AD seems to match Luke’s prognostications pretty accurately – so did the world come to an end then but nobody noticed? As Revelations mentions that only 144,000 celibate virgin men will be saved, why on Earth would KK be so excited?
From Revelations:
7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
By the way – it has been suggested that Luke’s Gospel was written after AD 70. In that case, maybe he’s doing a Nostradamus, then – creating an after-the-event forecast? Well, let’s face it, that’s the only way to guarantee accuracy.
And here's some more....
HEBREWS
10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
So – be patient for a little while…..
1 PETER
4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
Because the end of all things is at hand.
1 JOHN
2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Isn’t that just typical? – you wait thousands of years for an Antichrist, and then along come a whole bunch of them together!
REVELATION
1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
For those of us who haven’t got the message yet – He’s coming quickly!
Please, can somebody explain - when did the definition of such phrase as “at hand”, “is nigh”, “a little while”, “Shortly come to pass” and “come quickly” change to mean “more than 2,000 years, and still no show"?
OK - let the obfuscation and weak justifications commence.....
YBW
