What Senator John Glenn Said :

[Riddick]

Things that make you think a little:

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the

month of January. That's just one American city,

about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.

When some claim that President Bush shouldn't

have started this war, state the following:

a. FDR led us into World War II.

b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost .

an average of 112,500 per year.

c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.

North Korea never attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ..

an average of 18,334 per year.

d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.

Vietnam never attacked us.

e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.

From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..

an average of 5,800 per year.

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.

Bosnia never attacked us.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three

times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on

multiple occasions.

g. In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush

has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled

al-Qaeda, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North

Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who

slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining

about how long the war is taking.

But

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno

to take the Branch Davidian compound.

That was a 51-day operation.

 

[Tmy]

Things that make you think a little:

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the

month of January. That's just one American city,

about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.

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THis is a horse (bleep) comparison. First off we arent in january. 2nd, there were 10 marines killed yesterday. Were there 10 Detriot Police officers killed yesterday???

I have a simple question. Where would you feel safer. Baghdad or Detriot?

 

[Ladewig]

[Clinton] was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing.

And the minister of finance in Nigeria offered me a million dollars three times and I did nothing.

 

[Perforatu]

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders

Oranges and apples.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.

Watermelons and berries.

 

[Tmy]

I think John Glenn should head off to Iraq. Id like to see him walk around faluja by himslef. Since its so safe.

 

[RandFan]

Riddick,

Could you cite the quote? I think it appropriate before we make any remarks about Glenn.

 

[Ryokan]

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.

I served alongside American and French troops in Bosnia, so if the French didn't consent to that war, I'm wondering what the hell they were doing there.

Oh, and the UN consented as well.

 

[WildCat]

I served alongside American and French troops in Bosnia, so if the French didn't consent to that war, I'm wondering what the hell they were doing there.

Oh, and the UN consented as well.

Bosnia was a NATO action, thus the French involvement.

I don't think it was authorized by the UN, but I could be wrong.

eta: or am I confusing it w/ Kosovo?

 

[clk]

Things that make you think a little:
{snip}

Glenn is a democrat, so I don't see why he would say something like this. Can you provide a citation?

edit to add: Glenn didn't say it.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

In 2005, someone prefaced the John Glenn/Howard Metzenbaum article with the following item about Iraq. This addendum has nothing to do with John Glenn — it's an anonymous piece that has been floating around the Internet since 2004, but because it has been tacked onto an article about Glenn, readers have been misled into thinking that it is a transcription of something he said

 

[joobie]

snopes should be the first site anyone checks whenever the see some chain-letter quote like the OP.

 

[RandFan]

Glenn is a democrat, so I don't see why he would say something like this.

I know of Democrat's who support the war including former New York Mayor Ed Koch so I don't see that as relevant.

edit to add: Glenn didn't say it.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

Thank you, it didn't strike me as something he would say.

 

[clk]

I know of Democrat's who support the war including former New York Mayor Ed Koch so I don't see that as relevant.

True, but towards the end of the statement, it says:

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.
But It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.

That sounds like a direct shot at dems, and even a democrat who supports the war is unlikely to say something like that (except Zell Miller, but he's not a real democrat)

 

[RandFan]

True, but towards the end of the statement, it says:


That sounds like a direct shot at dems, and even a democrat who supports the war is unlikely to say something like that (except Zell Miller, but he's not a real democrat)

I'll grant you that, fair point.

 

[Freakshow]

I have a simple question. Where would you feel safer. Baghdad or Detriot?

Depends on the neighborhood. There are parts of Baghdad that I would feel safer in than parts of Detroit, yes.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Riddick returns!

And with a bit of tripe that read exactly like an e-mail chain, then turns out to be just that. As Gomer Pyle (actually) said, "Surprise, surprise, surprise!"

C'mon back, Riddick, and debate this. Please?

 

[peptoabysmal]

Bosnia was a NATO action, thus the French involvement.

I don't think it was authorized by the UN, but I could be wrong.

eta: or am I confusing it w/ Kosovo?

Neither one is on this list:

There have been two major wars authorized by the Security Council; the 1950 Korean War, and the 1991 Gulf War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution

Both Bosnia and Kosovo eventually became NATO actions, neither were "authorized" by the UN Security Council. I think that now, one or both of these are under the umbrella of the European Union Police Force or whatever it's called.

The first American President known to have publicly mentioned acting with a "Coalition of the Willing" in place of a UN Mandate was Bill Clinton.
Coalition of the willing

ETA: Bosnia and Kosovo were justified by UN Resolutions, same as the current Iraq war, not authorized.

 

[Skeptic]

I think John Glenn should head off to Iraq. Id like to see him walk around faluja by himslef. Since its so safe.

He might do just that. We are talking about an ex-korean fighter pilot, ex-test pilot, ex-Mercury astronaut, ex-70-year-old space shuttle traveler, etc. Both in wartime and in peacetime, John Glenn risked his life, almost literally daily, for his country. I don't think the idea of risking his life again for a week in Falujjah would be particularly scary for him, after 40 years of doing just that professionally.

(As for the "by himself" part, I suppose you also think him going on the Mercury flight wasn't that brave because he didn't set up the rocket and check the capsule by himself. And, incidentally, I'll bet you anything there are places in Detroit it is moew dangerous to walk in "by yourself" than some places in Baghdad.)

But honestly, Tmy, I don't know what kind of person is more morally disgusting: the kind of person who criticizes those in the line of fire from the safety of their own homes, far away... or the kind of person who, knowing that THEY will never consent to be in the line of fire, decide the only "fair" way to live with their cowardice is to demand that NOBODY ever be in the line of fire, whether it is needed or not.

 

[Kerberos]

Neither one is on this list:

Both Bosnia and Kosovo eventually became NATO actions, neither were "authorized" by the UN Security Council. I think that now, one or both of these are under the umbrella of the European Union Police Force or whatever it's called.



ETA: Bosnia and Kosovo were justified by UN Resolutions, same as the current Iraq war, not authorized.

I don't think there ever was any military intervention in Bosnia, which would be a good reason for the UN not authorising it. There were some peace keeping forces and some no-fly zones, which I believe were authorised by the UN, but no intervention like in Kosovo or Iraq.

ETA: I don't think that a lack of UN mandate automatically disqaulifies an intervention from being legitimate, but the paralel to Bosnia doesn't seem to hold water.

 

[Dorian Gray]

But honestly, Tmy, I don't know what kind of person is more morally disgusting: the kind of person who criticizes those in the line of fire from the safety of their own homes, far away... or the kind of person who, knowing that THEY will never consent to be in the line of fire, decide the only "fair" way to live with their cowardice is to demand that NOBODY ever be in the line of fire, whether it is needed or not.

TMY might just be criticizing the people who PUT the troops in the line of fire "from the safety of their own homes, far away, knowing that THEY will never consent to be in the line of fire." I'm trying to think what you are....... something-clown........

 

[Ryokan]

I don't think there ever was any military intervention in Bosnia, which would be a good reason for the UN not authorising it. There were some peace keeping forces and some no-fly zones, which I believe were authorised by the UN, but no intervention like in Kosovo or Iraq.

Oh, there was intervention all right. The Serbs were not about to just give up and go home, and had to be hit hard. They crumbled pretty fast, though (The Bosnian Serb forces were mostly militia and paramilitary forces).

ETA: I don't think that a lack of UN mandate automatically disqaulifies an intervention from being legitimate, but the paralel to Bosnia doesn't seem to hold water.

Here's the difference :

Bosnia :

NATO : Hey, Bosnia is going to hell! We're taking over and stopping this war!

UN : Of course, there's nothing in the resolutions regarding Bosnia that says the intervening forces have to be there under UN colors, so there's not need to make a new resolution. Good luck!

Iraq :

USA : Hey, Iraq is a mess! And they have WMD, we're quite sure about it! And don't forget 9/11! We're going in!

UN : I'm sorry, the current resolutions don't allow for actions like this. You might want to present the case to the UN council first, and then maybe...

USA : Sure, but if you don't rule in our favor, we're going in anyway! WMD! 9/11!!