What Mormon Theology is really all about?

Aoidoi

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1231760586718929761&hl=en

Stumbled across this cartoon clip (which watching BSG gag reels, of all things), and was curious how accurate the cartoon is. The bits of it I recognize seem more or less to match up with the little I know of Mormonism (Gold plates, American Indians etc.) but there's some parts I've never heard before. In particular the bits about immortal gods all over the universe and the 1/3 devils 1/3 dark skinned 1/3 light skinned thing.

The tone of the whole thing is kind of weirdly "standard Christian" in that it seems to be condemning the Mormon's beliefs as strange and ridiculous while implying that "normal" Christian beliefs aren't remotely implausible. Love the narrator, sounds like he's straight out of those black and white 50s era hygiene videos, only more condemning. I think he suspects the Mormons don't brush their teeth. ;)

Special props to the animators for the bit where Elohim comes down to have sex with the Virgin Mary making that appear just as creepy as it sounded.

Anyway, has this been around? Anybody know where the clip came from?
 
This is close. But there is definitely some anti-Mormon propoganda.

The 1/3 dark skinned is BS.

The "Sex with Elohim" is BS.''

I also love the part where they call Joseph Smith a "young treasure seeker". I don't honestly know how true this is, but this is definitely a bit of Protestant anti-Mormon propoganda.

Plus the Mormons only call themselves LDS, so it's definitely not produced by them.
 
Aoidoi said:
The tone of the whole thing is kind of weirdly "standard Christian" in that it seems to be condemning the Mormon's beliefs as strange and ridiculous while implying that "normal" Christian beliefs aren't remotely implausible.
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Well normal christian beliefs do not contradict history to anywhere near the extent of mormons.
 
If I were some sexually frustrated bored out-a my mind backwoods bible thumping A-hole, the idea of a afterlife orgy would be pretty appealing.
 
PixyMisa said:
Some leaders of the Mormon Church beg to differ.
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This is an inference. The statements that he is the literal son could just as easily imply some sort of holy artificial insemination. Anyway, I quibble on this point because people try to make it into a sexual thing, when it is not stated as a sexual thing at all.

But I also am confused by this site. Mormons are aware that Jesus is supposed to be the literal son of Elohim. If I was not on the other side of the world from my library, I could give you some references to that fact.

How about "young fraud and loony" then?
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Definitely.

Oh, I think we got that. ;)
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I figured. Just making a point of it.

kedo1981 said:
If I were some sexually frustrated bored out-a my mind backwoods bible thumping A-hole, the idea of a afterlife orgy would be pretty appealing.
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I've never met a Bible thumping Mormon. Have you? And I also don't know how polygamy is the same as an orgy.

Anyway, I pretty much think this video is a bunch of BS, so don't get too much of your misinformation about Mormons from it. ;)
 
ponderingturtle said:
Well normal christian beliefs do not contradict history to anywhere near the extent of mormons.
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True enough, I just found that the tone of "look at these crazy guys, not like us normal Christians" bit seemed a bit amusing. Something about he who has not sinned casting the first stone... ;)

It is kind of reminiscent of the Christian cannibalism myths. While there's plenty of creepy images one could associate with cannibalism (This is my body, this is my blood, etc) it isn't literal cannibalism.

Figures that if you stretch a bit, misinterpret a bit, and maybe lie a bit you can make an entire religion look like racist polygamists (or zombie worshipping cannibals).
 
Aoidoi said:
True enough, I just found that the tone of "look at these crazy guys, not like us normal Christians" bit seemed a bit amusing. Something about he who has not sinned casting the first stone... ;)

It is kind of reminiscent of the Christian cannibalism myths. While there's plenty of creepy images one could associate with cannibalism (This is my body, this is my blood, etc) it isn't literal cannibalism.

Figures that if you stretch a bit, misinterpret a bit, and maybe lie a bit you can make an entire religion look like racist polygamists (or zombie worshiping cannibals).
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Hey that was a popular roman view of Christianity in its early days.

What I am saying is that the events recorded in the book of Mormon do not fit with the known history of the Americas, while the events in the rest of the bible do not fall out side the realm of what is possible.

For example the book of Mormon claims that there where horses in the Americas and civilizations, but the horse died out in the Americas what 2 million years ago?

That is the sort of contradiction I was talking about.

Saying who is the bigger loony, well given how many people don't realize how recent rapture beliefs and such are, gagging the bigger loony is hard to say. But the moderates or average level of loonyness might be a bit higher.

I think a lot of the reaction is that the founding is so well documented and recent that its loony cult origins(something all religions have in common) are so much more obvious.
 
Also the book of Mormon describes battles fought with swords. There were no swords in pre-Columbian America either.
 
Tanstaafl said:
Also the book of Mormon describes battles fought with swords. There were no swords in pre-Columbian America either.
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Eh, didn't the Vikings have a few up there in Newfoundland? Maybe they took them all home, or the few that the natives captured all rusted away in the woods.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
Eh, didn't the Vikings have a few up there in Newfoundland? Maybe they took them all home, or the few that the natives captured all rusted away in the woods.

DR
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Well for one thing, my understanding was the the book of Mormon was supposed to be roughly contemporaneous with the rest of the new testament, and so that would be about a thousand years to late to start with.

And the possibility that a few individual swords might have been in the continent does nothing to show that was would not have been fought with them.

The colony was never very large and swords where expensive so I would not expect there to have ever been many viking swords on the continent.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Well for one thing, my understanding was the the book of Mormon was supposed to be roughly contemporaneous with the rest of the new testament, and so that would be about a thousand years to late to start with.
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Aha, thanks.
And the possibility that a few individual swords might have been in the continent does nothing to show that was would not have been fought with them. The colony was never very large and swords where expensive so I would not expect there to have ever been many viking swords on the continent.
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True enough. Given corrosion, even if a few did make it over, if they were captured as trophies, what are the odds anyone would dig in the right place (assuming carried away from village after it was looted) to find a rusting old blade. Small.

Good point on the cost, more likely axes and spears as standard weapons.

DR
 
I'm still on the books as being a mormon, though I stopped beleiving about 2 years ago.

This cartoon is from a movie called "The God Makers" that was produced in the early 80's by some former Mormons. It's full of a lot of falsehoods and speculation. The story about where God comes from is pretty much taken from the quotes from a few early church leaders and has been elevated to the level doctrine by some of their critics, which really isn't fair because 98% of mormons don't beleive this stuff and have never heard it.

Check wikipedia for The God Makers

This film has been de-bunked many times. It does have some truths, but most of the stuff is taken out of context. I would be glad to go through it point by point from the view of a current agnostic/skeptic former beleiving mormon.
 
carnegis said:
I'm still on the books as being a mormon, though I stopped beleiving about 2 years ago.

This cartoon is from a movie called "The God Makers" that was produced in the early 80's by some former Mormons. It's full of a lot of falsehoods and speculation. The story about where God comes from is pretty much taken from the quotes from a few early church leaders and has been elevated to the level doctrine by some of their critics, which really isn't fair because 98% of mormons don't beleive this stuff and have never heard it.

Check wikipedia for The God Makers

This film has been de-bunked many times. It does have some truths, but most of the stuff is taken out of context. I would be glad to go through it point by point from the view of a current agnostic/skeptic former beleiving mormon.
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There is a book that makes a point-by-point refutation of Ed Decker's original book on which the movie from which this clip is an excerpt was taken. The whole of this book has since been made available online at this URL: http://www.fairlds.org/The_God_Makers/
 
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