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What IS Logical Deism?

Kiri

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I've seen it mentioned a number of times in threads that usually degenerate into screaming matches through which I'm unwilling to wade.

Can anyone who isn't Franko or one of his clones BRIEFLY explain it to me?
 
Unfortunately, Franko and his sidekick/clone/sockpuppet Wraith appear to be the only two Logical Deists in existence, and neither of them have ever managed to explain what it is coherently.

Based on what Franko has told me over the last 2 years or so, I am inclined to think that it isn't actually anything at all. I think he was just making it all up as he went.

Dr. Stupid
 
The List

If you're really interested, or if you are simply masochistic, you can have a look at The List. This is a collection of all of many of the tenets of Logical Deism, as stated by its only proponants. These are as close to being actual verbatum statements as I can get them.

Prepared to be shocked and awed.
 
Also please note that Logical Deism is neither. At least, the Logic is none of the generally recognized ones, and as for the Deism, it resembles no forms of Deism with which I'm familiar.

Rather like the Holy Roman Empire.

Stimpson's comment is quite apropos here. Few of us here believe that the proponent of LD actually believes any of the things he claimed to.
Also realize that said proponent withdrew his seal of approval from Tricky's list shortly before he split, which he did after claiming not to have read said list at all.

In short, a mere hiccup in the history of strange doctrines.
 
Depends on how much time you have to spend, I guess. If Franko ever comes back, you'll be able to hear it all again anyway. It gets very repetitive very quickly.
 
Kiri said:
So then, this is something I may safely ignore?
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Let us all hope so. But if you still have questions, just run a search for posts by Franko, because he repeats himself so much you get a pretty good idea. After all, he is both its founder and the one and only follower.
 
Kiri said:
So then, this is something I may safely ignore?
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Nay, as Pascal so clearly pointed out, to not believe is so much more dangerous than to believe, therefore you MUST adhere to the tenets of Logical deism, because the consequences for not doing so are so dire.
 
Kiri, to summarize the points of LD:

The universe we're in is like (or is really) a computer program. Everything is absolutely determined by the initial state and the laws of physics. There is no randomness (also called magic).
Your behavior is absolutely determined.
There is no free will.
Matter is an illusion: everything that we think exists is a "meme" which is exchanged between or among consciousnesses - consciousness creates matter.
The head consciousness is the Logical Goddess who in some way sustains all the other consciousnesses.
Consciousnesses are actually particles called gravitons. They are quick or slow (good/bad, smart/stupid)

Atheists necessarily believe in free will and magic.

This universe exists inside a heirarchy of universes. Below this one is the Abyss, where bad gravitons go. You ascend to the next universe or descend to the abyss based on Fate.
The gravitons are immortal.

I think that covers most of the main points.
 
Tricky thoroughly covers it in the thread "Regarding Franko" but the thread got so long you'll have to wade through a lot of crap to get to it. Did he post it again in "the Wanko Saga" or was that a parody? It's really hard to tell with Logical Deism.
 
c4ts said:
Tricky thoroughly covers it in the thread "Regarding Franko" but the thread got so long you'll have to wade through a lot of crap to get to it. Did he post it again in "the Wanko Saga" or was that a parody? It's really hard to tell with Logical Deism.
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Did I? Heck, I can't even remember. Anyway, I don't wish to make the R&P a shrine to the departed Sage. It has been a lot less active lately, but not coincidentally, the amount of interesting, intelligent discussion is at its zenith.
 
Well, that all sounds pretty silly.

But it's probably as true as any other religion.
 
whitefork said:

Atheists necessarily believe in free will and magic.
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You mean A-Theists.

But aside from that, I agree with Tricky. Haven't you noticed the high quality discussion taking place in the forum lately?
 
evildave said:


Nay, as Pascal so clearly pointed out, to not believe is so much more dangerous than to believe, therefore you MUST adhere to the tenets of Logical deism, because the consequences for not doing so are so dire.
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Okay, so then by this reasoning, I should believe ALL religions, on the chance that ONE of them is "correct".

I think I'll start by dragging victims to the top of a pyramid and cutting out their hearts to feed the sun god.
 
whitefork said:
Kiri, to summarize the points of LD:

Atheists necessarily believe in free will and magic.
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Waitaminnit... I believe in free will, but NOT magic, and I'm not an atheist!
 
Kiri said:


Waitaminnit... I believe in free will, but NOT magic, and I'm not an atheist!
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Waitaminnit... if you believe in free will, but NOT magic, and not an atheist, you are either:
  • Lying
  • Illogical
  • Insane
  • Immoral
  • or all of the above

Silly A-Theist. Don't let what you really believe fool you. You are whatever the logical deists pigeon-hole you as.
 
Upchurch said:

Silly A-Theist. Don't let what you really believe fool you. You are whatever the logical deists pigeon-hole you as.
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...and besides:

Atoms obey TLOP
You are made of Atoms
You obey TLOP

TLOP controls YOU control CAR

... what's not to understand?
 
Stimpson J. Cat said:
Unfortunately, Franko and his sidekick/clone/sockpuppet Wraith appear to be the only two Logical Deists in existence, and neither of them have ever managed to explain what it is coherently.

Based on what Franko has told me over the last 2 years or so, I am inclined to think that it isn't actually anything at all. I think he was just making it all up as he went.

Dr. Stupid
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For someone who makes it up as he goes along, he was remarkably consistent in his incoherence. I think he may have started out that way, but his dogmatic attitude, and his appearance on deism.org, indicate that at some point he stopped making it up and started believing it. If Logical Deism was changing each time, the changes were slight because Franko's contradictory positions on free will really looked like the same contradiction each time, and he kept his points of view dogmatically enough to look like doublethink instead of excuses. That takes some amazing acting skills, ones he also did not demonstrate at all in his Wraith character.
 
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