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So this video is on the BBC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world...-police-violently-beat-unarmed-robert-johnson
The person looks to me like he is a little intoxicated, but was apparently a bystander and not a suspect. The police at least did not shoot him, but it has hard to believe they could not have managed this without this level of violence given the number of officers and the apparent incapacity of the person.

What particularly disturbs me is the comment by the spokesman saying blows to the head will no longer be allowed unless people are being aggressive with the police. Does this mean that upto now the police have been allowed to hit people who are not being aggressive? If I was a smart lawyer i would be ensuring that the police were sued for post concussion brain damage. The evidence that blows to the head can cause brain damage is now so great that I would expect all police to have explicit rules that if possible people should never have blows to the head. The level of violence is massive, in a boxing ring the cop would have been pulled off as his opponent is 'on the ropes'. You can clearly see how the head bounces off the wall behind after being hit; this is very high risk for brain injury.
 
Just to be sure, those that aren't demonstrating aggression can still be struck, just not in the head, right?
 
Nauseating. In Britain, those officers would likely be dismissed, and imprisoned for assault.
 
You may remember the same county from last year's "Failure to Hokey-Pokey" shooting last year. In that case, the guy they murdered was the suspect, but failed to follow their incoherent commands properly.

In this case, a guy was beaten senselessly for...not sitting fast enough, or kneeling instead of sitting, or some such. And then they apparently wrote him a ticket after beating him until he was unconscious. And failed to mention that they beat him out cold in their reports.

Seems like another obvious example of police brutality to me. But given that this is also where that creep Arpaio used to operate, I'm not slightly shocked.

And before anyone asks, one of the cops being black changes nothing, for every reason I've said before a thousand times since Prof. Gates was arrested in Cambridge, and will not repeat here.
 
Mumbles said:
You may remember the same county from last year's "Failure to Hokey-Pokey" shooting last year. In that case, the guy they murdered was the suspect, but failed to follow their incoherent commands properly.

In this case, a guy was beaten senselessly for...not sitting fast enough, or kneeling instead of sitting, or some such. And then they apparently wrote him a ticket after beating him until he was unconscious. And failed to mention that they beat him out cold in their reports.

Seems like another obvious example of police brutality to me. But given that this is also where that creep Arpaio used to operate, I'm not slightly shocked.

And before anyone asks, one of the cops being black changes nothing, for every reason I've said before a thousand times since Prof. Gates was arrested in Cambridge, and will not repeat here.
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It looks even worse in your link. Banging his head against the lift door once he is cuffed.
 
The police are absolutely justified. By not sitting down he posed a minuscule astronomically tiny threat to the half dozen police officers there. Cops deserve to have a 100% chance of going home at the end of their shift. Not a 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999% chance.
 
lobosrul5 said:
The police are absolutely justified. By not sitting down he posed a minuscule astronomically tiny threat to the half dozen police officers there. Cops deserve to have a 100% chance of going home at the end of their shift. Not a 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999% chance.
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Damn those meteors!
 
If you don't serve a customer after your bakery is shut you can be immediately sacked because of a perception of racism but if you're in the police force you can beat someone unconscious and still keep your job. They certainly have a good union.
 
Here's bodycam footage of the incident, including sound. This seems improper and excessive use of force...buuuut 1) the individual was distinctly and deliberately noncompliant, 2) the officers started out polite and subdued at least to begin with. Note that the guy announces that he's got a knife, then refuses several clear requests to sit "all the way down".
 
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Shadowdweller said:
Here's bodycam footage of the incident, including sound. This seems improper and excessive use of force...buuuut 1) the individual was distinctly and deliberately noncompliant, 2) the officers started out polite and subdued at least to begin with. Note that the guy announces that he's got a knife, then refuses several clear requests to sit "all the way down".
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First, noncompliance with random cops is not a crime, won't even get you a ticket in most cases. Second, he told them he had a knife when they went to pat him down for, you know, being there. If they were that nervous about it, they could have simply taken in temporarily, instead of beating him unconscious for leaning against a wall instead of sitting.

Still see no reason why these cops shouldn't be in jail.
 
Mumbles said:
First, noncompliance with random cops is not a crime, won't even get you a ticket in most cases. Second, he told them he had a knife when they went to pat him down for, you know, being there. If they were that nervous about it, they could have simply taken in temporarily, instead of beating him unconscious for leaning against a wall instead of sitting.

Still see no reason why these cops shouldn't be in jail.
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I'm not actually certain from the video that the police did not in fact remove the knife prior to the take down. He wasn't stopped for just being there - the police were detaining both the guy and his friend under suspicion of a break-in (with sexual harassment undertones due to being related to a supposed ex-girlfriend). Neither is it clear that the guy was actually beaten unconscious; there's a short period of time where he goes quiet and COULD have been unconscious or not, after which he rapidly starts obscenities.

The police should nevertheless have checked pupils, etc, for complications of a concussion afterward even so...given that he WAS punched in the head and hit his head on the way down. They did not.
 
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Mumbles said:
First, noncompliance with random cops is not a crime, won't even get you a ticket in most cases. Second, he told them he had a knife when they went to pat him down for, you know, being there. If they were that nervous about it, they could have simply taken in temporarily, instead of beating him unconscious for leaning against a wall instead of sitting.

Still see no reason why these cops shouldn't be in jail.
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You do wonder if this had been a middle class middle aged white woman in business wear would they have insisted on her sitting on the floor, or would waiting as asked be sufficient?

Do the police in the US have a right to demand witnesses sit on the ground?
 
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I'm not actually certain from the video that the police did not in fact remove the knife prior to the take down. He wasn't stopped for just being there - the police were detaining both the guy and his friend under suspicion of a break-in (with sexual harassment undertones due to being related to a supposed ex-girlfriend). Neither is it clear that the guy was actually beaten unconscious; there's a short period of time where he goes quiet and COULD have been unconscious or not, after which he rapidly starts obscenities.

The police should nevertheless have checked pupils, etc, for complications of a concussion afterward even so...given that he WAS punched in the head and hit his head on the way down. They did not.
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No - the police should have called for medical staff who can do a medical assessment and then decide if further treatment was required.
 
Shadowdweller said:
I'm not actually certain from the video that the police did not in fact remove the knife prior to the take down. He wasn't stopped for just being there - the police were detaining both the guy and his friend under suspicion of a break-in (with sexual harassment undertones due to being related to a supposed ex-girlfriend). Neither is it clear that the guy was actually beaten unconscious; there's a short period of time where he goes quiet and COULD have been unconscious or not, after which he rapidly starts obscenities.

The police should nevertheless have checked pupils, etc, for complications of a concussion afterward even so...given that he WAS punched in the head and hit his head on the way down. They did not.
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Whether any of that is true or not is irrelevant: what is relevant is that the police have decided over the years that noncompliance (ie "Failure to hokey-pokey", not complying fast enough, complying too fast) is somehow endangering them, or disrespecting them, or something. Thus, beatings (or death).
 
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