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What About The Jersey Girls??

Usual Suspect

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I see all these threads about Loose Change and the attacks themselves. I'm wonder how everyone feels about the Jersey Girls and 9/11 Press For Truth. Does anyone question why it took Bush 441 days after 9/11 to appoint the Commission to investigate?? After Pearl Harbor there was a committee 9 days later. 7 days later for JFK and the space shuttle Challenger. Does it bother anyone that Bush and Cheney didn't testify publicly and under oath before the 9/11 Commission?? If there's nothing to hide why did Bush and Cheney only agree to talk to the Commission together, behind closed doors and off the record?? Just questions I can't seem to get off my mind.
 
I think it sucks that victims had to push for a Commission, and that the Commission had to face so much bureaucratic stonewalling and ass-covering. And yes, I think Bush and Cheney should have testified separately and under oath, rather than while holding hands.
 
The 9/11 commission wasn't created to see who attacked America. The 9/11 commission was created to see what security failures occurred and how to avoid these same errors in the future. IMHO, the reason Bush delayed the commission for so long is because he didn't want to show how incompetent his administration was. So yes, they certainly did have something to hide, Operation Ignore, as in terrorism. I'd suggest reading Richard Clarke's Against All Enemies for a better perspective on this.
 
Gravy said:
I think it sucks that victims had to push for a Commission, and that the Commission had to face so much bureaucratic stonewalling and ass-covering. And yes, I think Bush and Cheney should have testified separately and under oath, rather than while holding hands.
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So why don't you support an investigation where THAT happens?
 
bob_kark said:
The 9/11 commission wasn't created to see who attacked America. The 9/11 commission was created to see what security failures occurred and how to avoid these same errors in the future.
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I think this bears repeating. Many people forget it.

For some reason they also forget that there were MANY investigations of 9/11. The FBI carried out a criminal investigation. NIST carried out building safety investigations. FEMA carried out investigations. The NTSB carried out investigations...the list goes on.

Many of these began on 9/11 itself. Some are still ongoing to this very day.

The effort, in money, in time, and in man hours, that has gone into the various investigations of 9/11 has been enormous. To claim otherwise is an outright lie.

As for the stone-walling of the commission, while like Gravy I am not impressed by it, I am somewhat sympathetic to the admin. It is clear to me, from the "9/11 Press For Truth" documentary, that the "Jersey Girls" were on a scalp hunt. They were out to see someone in "authority" lynched for 9/11.

Regardless of what caused or allowed 9/11 to happen, regardless of which admins did what, the underlying truth is 9/11 happened on Bush and his admin's watch. They could have done everything in their power to prevent an attack, and they would still be prime targets of a blame-fest. That's the nature of politics.

As such, while I think their attempts to avoid such potential blame are shameful, I also believe they are totally understandable. And certainly do not require a sophisticated conspiracy as explanation. Simple fear of being blamed for letting the attacks happen is plenty enough.

I doubt any US President in recent years felt the weight of the job's responsibility as much as Bush did on 9/12. It is natural to think "Did we miss something?" And when you're talking about a machine as enormous as a nation of 280 million people, yes, you did miss something. No matter how vigilant you might have been, you missed something.

(Not to say they *were* particularly vigilant, but even if they were, I'd expect a similar reaction to the commission).

-Andrew
 
Killtown said:
So why don't you support an investigation where THAT happens?
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I think plenty of people here ,would like to see such a thing. It still will get you, no where near , the fictional account espoused by your theories!
Capiche?
 
Oh yes, what about the Jersey girls who sat around and watched internet conspiracy videos and started "asking questions."

Just because the Jersey Girls are gullible retards like yourself doesn't make 9/11 a conspiracy.
 
Scientologist, should you be drinking so much? It's only the bottom of the first inning. Pace yourself, man!
 
Killtown said:
So why don't you support an investigation where THAT happens?
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It really disguists me to see the 9/11 Deniers try to associate with families like the Jersey Girls that ask legit questions.

What the 9/11 Families want is answers as to why the government dropped the balls instead of going for the shot. 9/11 Deniers, on the other hand, want to see Bush and the rest of the government in chains despite no evidence. They prefer the idea that the government was behind 9/11 then a couple of pissed off muslims.

KillTown and other 9/11 Deniers, don't try to piggyback on 9/11 Press for Truth or the Jersey girls. Their agendas are complete opposites of yours. You guys scream for revolution and overthrowing the government, something the 9/11 Families don't want.

The only reason why you sick bastards endorse the Jersey Girls is so you can hide behind of cloak of sympathy, pretending to give a damn about the 9/11 victims. However, we already know what you have said and done. You photoshop a flight 93 with fecal matter on it, Jim Fetzer laughs at Mark Bingham's last words, and Dylan Avery thinks that people cowering behind a group of crazy muslims in 30,000 feet in the air, armed with a boxcutter and threatening the plane with bombs, is a comical and unrealistic situation.

Seriously, and I know I will get warned by admins for this, but shut the **** up. Your moral high horse died a long time and the only left of it is a skeleton on display at a museum for the entire world to see.
 
Wow, re-reading my post, I am both poetic and hyperbole!

Keith Olbermann, you got owned :p
 
Usual Suspect said:
Does anyone question why it took Bush 441 days after 9/11 to appoint the Commission to investigate?? ... Does it bother anyone that Bush and Cheney didn't testify publicly and under oath before the 9/11 Commission?? If there's nothing to hide why did Bush and Cheney only agree to talk to the Commission together, behind closed doors and off the record??
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Why is this surprising from an administration that has been one of the most secretive ever? I'd be surprised if they did come out and investigate everything in the open.
 
Horatius said:
Why is this surprising from an administration that has been one of the most secretive ever? I'd be surprised if they did come out and investigate everything in the open.
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That's for sure. That secrecy started from day 1 of the administration. I watched Frontline's "The Dark Side" again last night, so I should probably refrain from posting about this stuff. I try to avoid political rants.
 
gumboot said:
I think this bears repeating. Many people forget it.

For some reason they also forget that there were MANY investigations of 9/11. The FBI carried out a criminal investigation. NIST carried out building safety investigations. FEMA carried out investigations. The NTSB carried out investigations...the list goes on.

Many of these began on 9/11 itself. Some are still ongoing to this very day.

The effort, in money, in time, and in man hours, that has gone into the various investigations of 9/11 has been enormous. To claim otherwise is an outright lie.

As for the stone-walling of the commission, while like Gravy I am not impressed by it, I am somewhat sympathetic to the admin. It is clear to me, from the "9/11 Press For Truth" documentary, that the "Jersey Girls" were on a scalp hunt. They were out to see someone in "authority" lynched for 9/11.

Regardless of what caused or allowed 9/11 to happen, regardless of which admins did what, the underlying truth is 9/11 happened on Bush and his admin's watch. They could have done everything in their power to prevent an attack, and they would still be prime targets of a blame-fest. That's the nature of politics.

As such, while I think their attempts to avoid such potential blame are shameful, I also believe they are totally understandable. And certainly do not require a sophisticated conspiracy as explanation. Simple fear of being blamed for letting the attacks happen is plenty enough.

I doubt any US President in recent years felt the weight of the job's responsibility as much as Bush did on 9/12. It is natural to think "Did we miss something?" And when you're talking about a machine as enormous as a nation of 280 million people, yes, you did miss something. No matter how vigilant you might have been, you missed something.

(Not to say they *were* particularly vigilant, but even if they were, I'd expect a similar reaction to the commission).

-Andrew
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Very well said, Andrew.

And it's great to see you again :)
 
This is a copy of my 1,000th post on JREF. It is a review on the film (brief) and some thoughts on it and the "truth" movement as a whole...


9/11 - Press for the Truth
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I just finished watching this documentary. It is a 9/11 film that follows the pathes of the "Jersey Girls" as well as "independent researcher" Paul Thompson.

This film has been touted by almost all of the "9/11 Truth" movement as the "undebunkable" documentary for them, and that it is the ultimate film to represent their stance. Well if that is the case, than all I can say is that 90% of the people who claim to be a part of that "9/11 Truth" movement, are lying. Why do I say this. Not because the film is "debunkable", it maybe, but I do not have all the knowledge to debunk it myself. No, the reason I say they are lying is very simple. 90% of the people who we encounter at the various CT websites, the "Scholars" the "LTW Followers" the "Truth Trolls" push enormous amounts of conjecture, heresay, speculation, and downright wrong "evidence" that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the points made in this film. So any "truther" who says that this film is the best representation of what they "are about" is likely lying.

This movie does not, IN ANY WAY, make mention of, debate over, or even recognize, arguments concerning the "Controlled Demolition" or the "Missile into the Pentagon" or the "No Hijackers", or any of the hundreds of "Truth" conjectures/theories about 9/11. If you are about to watch the film expecting to find ANY of this in it, do not waste your time.

This film, I believe, is one of the more honest films, in terms of what really needs to be asked about 9/11. It begs questions on what role did "Pakistan" play in 9/11 funding. I do not claim to know, but I think that the american people are entitled to a well researched answer. It asks the questions concerning "What did the USG know about an impending attack on the US prior to 9/11" and I believe this is a question that should be answered. I believe, to a large degree, it has...if you know where to look for the info.

What this film does not do, is it does not implicate the USG in an "inside job", it does not say "Bush did it" it does not go into PNAC or any of the rediculous things we have been forced to debunk to keep the air clear in cyberspace.

I am still a full fledged debunker, don't get me wrong. I still believe the towers were brought down by Al-Qaeda Hijackers, in cohorts with OBL. I believe the Pentagon was hit by AA77, and I believe in the heroic efforts of the passengers of flight 93. What this film has done for me, is made me realize that the loons of the "truth" movement have distracted many of us from realizing that a part of their "movement" are legitimate people, with legitimate questions for their government. Now if the vast majority of their questions have been answered through the Commission report and all the other information out there, than fine, but if the victim families of the 9/11 attacks feel that the vast majority of their questions have gone unanswered, to their satisfaction, than I say they have a right to the answers.

My final thoughts are for those people that seek the "Truth" about 9/11, those that seek the "Real Truth". For those people I would say, clean your house. Get rid of all the useless junk scientists, the loony tunes, the wingnuts. Get rid of all the silly "theories" of "No Planes" and "Thermite", and "Cruise Missiles". Get rid of the LC lunatics. This, I know, would be a courageous thing to do, as the "Truth" movement owes alot of its publicity to their cockamame tall tales. Trust me though, in the end, if your cause is to win the hearts and minds of the american people, and reasonable people worldwide, you will have to keep the "Truth" house in order, and right now it is in such disarray, that it will only fade further, and further, until the world forgets there were even questions that have not been answered.

TAM
 
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