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Well, we can add Wendy Williams to the long, sad list of disinformation vectors

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By accident happened to have that channel on while surfing, and I heard her mention flu vaccinations just now.

According to Wendy, some people get sick from it (semi-true*) But she seemed to be confused that you were actually getting the flu.

And this scientifically illiterate savage then went on to say, "And that's why I'm not getting a flu vaccine." Applause by audience.




* Your body is learning to fight off the flu, even though you are not getting the flu, and it turns out much of the sickness you feel during the regular flu is due to your body's response as it learns to fight off the virus, not due to the virus itself. So when it learns to kill off a fake or dead flu virus, the adaptations can cause much the same symptoms. Again, the sickness feeling is due to your body fighting off a virus, not the virus' activity directly.
 
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Not that I agree with Wendy Williams but I don't think a lot of people are trying to be scientific about it. I've seen several people on my facebook report that after getting the flu vaccine they got sick. Then of course the science teacher posting that it's impossible.

Well it's what happened. I think it's not explained enough to people in a way that is simple. Basically I don't care if I get sick because of A or B I just don't want to get sick. If I normally don't ever get sick and then I get the vaccine and I get sick, I'm assuming the argument is that I got "sick in a safer way" or something like that.

But if I normally don't get sick how is getting sick in a safer way better than not getting sick at all?

Don't yell. I'm still very confused about the vaccine issue and admit I haven't a clue.
 
Thanks for remembering me that I should get my vaccine now that we're in Summer as everybody knows that some 2%? 3%? 5%? 7%? of people getting their vaccines during the first deep cold in May will suffer the disease. The problem of having a vaccine that only protects you 10 or 12 days after the shot against a disease that takes a few days for incubation. Additionally, the vaccines provides protection against only some strains -the most active and dangerous, but not all of them-.

I don't know who Wendy Williams is unless she is the truck-driver-like person they made fun of in E's "The Soup".
 
aleCcowaN said:
Thanks for remembering me that I should get my vaccine now that we're in Summer as everybody knows that some 2%? 3%? 5%? 7%? of people getting their vaccines during the first deep cold in May will suffer the disease. The problem of having a vaccine that only protects you 10 or 12 days after the shot against a disease that takes a few days for incubation. Additionally, the vaccines provides protection against only some strains -the most active and dangerous, but not all of them-.

I don't know who Wendy Williams is unless she is the truck-driver-like person they made fun of in E's "The Soup".
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I am guessing that one was Wendy O. Williams ex of the ex-Plasmatics and no longer among the living.
 
I don't think that the Wendy Williams audience is a representative sample of humankind. I wouldn't use them to pick a jury.
 
Beerina said:
By accident happened to have that channel on while surfing, and I heard her mention flu vaccinations just now.

According to Wendy, some people get sick from it (semi-true*) But she seemed to be confused that you were actually getting the flu.

And this scientifically illiterate savage then went on to say, "And that's why I'm not getting a flu vaccine." Applause by audience.
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Then there'll be plenty of flu shots for the intelligent. This is bad how?

p.s. I already got mine.
 
I had mine, too, but it was because I was just out of the hospital and the cardiologist made me, else laziness would have ruled the day.

And I did feel a bit under the weather about 24 hours later, and had a swelling on the site, though I don't know if it was part of the reaction or just a lump of goo from the injection.



Yes, they should do a better job of pointing these things out, how it works. I didn't even know myself until hearing a Dean Edell podcast a year or two ago where he talked about this very issue.

Also, they're trying to guess which among several known flues each year could turn into the "bad" one. It's not a perfect science.

As for the "good for 10-12 days", I don't think that's accurate -- they even found that one of the vaccines a few years ago actually gave significant protection against another flu that came around.


He also complained about the insensate rejection of adjuvants in the US, which are deliberate irritants introduced with the vaccination that multiply its effectiveness, meaning you can produce several times more doses per unit of medicine. Unfortunately they ban it because it might make even more people reject vaccination. :( Europe uses it and has no domestic social issues over it.

These are lives being lost because of all this.
 
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Beerina said:
As for the "good for 10-12 days", I don't think that's accurate -- they even found that one of the vaccines a few years ago actually gave significant protection against another flu that came around.
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I thought it was "it takes 10-12 days to be protected from the flu" not "the vax only lasts 10-12 days".
 
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I thought it was "it takes 10-12 days to be protected from the flu" not "the vax only lasts 10-12 days".
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That's right. The immunization is supposed to last decades for each individual strain. The problem is the frequent mutations and the burst of new strains, that's why we need one or two shots a year. Here in the Southern Hemisphere we use to have a vaccine with the two or three strains that have been common or dangerous in the Northern Hemisphere half a year before.

The problems is if you got your shot today and you already were incubating a flu. A couple of days later you may be fighting against the flu -because there's no immunity yet- and the other couple of strains in the vaccine suppose a little extra effort for your immune system. That's the origin of the myth of the vaccine provoking a stronger disease. An that's why they are calling insistently every group of risk to get their shots early in March and not to wait until May or June when there are outbreaks of flu.

Being I in a risk group -former smokers- I need to have my shot against the flu in February or March and against pneumonia by pneumococcus every 5 years because although I'm strong enough and hardly ever have a fever my lungs can deal with the flu and an opportunistic bronchitis together, but hardly with a pneumonia on top of that, so I must reduce risks.
 
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I work in health care and we can get the shots at work. Every year a few of my colleagues go off with the symptoms of flu they get from the jab. Poor Lynn gas icky.
 
Beerina said:
By accident happened to have that channel on while surfing, and I heard her mention flu vaccinations just now.

According to Wendy, some people get sick from it (semi-true*) But she seemed to be confused that you were actually getting the flu.

And this scientifically illiterate savage then went on to say, "And that's why I'm not getting a flu vaccine." Applause by audience.




* Your body is learning to fight off the flu, even though you are not getting the flu, and it turns out much of the sickness you feel during the regular flu is due to your body's response as it learns to fight off the virus, not due to the virus itself. So when it learns to kill off a fake or dead flu virus, the adaptations can cause much the same symptoms. Again, the sickness feeling is due to your body fighting off a virus, not the virus' activity directly.
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You do not get sick from an inactivated flu jab. It is an inactivated virus. Some minor malaise from an immune response sometimes but when people believe they get sick from the flu jab, it is coincident with whatever pathogens are also circulating when influenza viruses are and even including influenza viruses since it is not immediately effective. Anyone who would use the term "fake virus" is frankly, not someone from whom I would take medical advice from.

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The whole "vaccines are bad" backlash has been painful to watch. Of course, some small number of people may feel ill after any injection. Especially with all the rumors to make gullible people hypersensitive to it. Maybe we would have felt bad that day anyway ... we can't go back and try it the other way. I never understood why "some guy says X" is given as much weight as "clinical tests with tens of thousands of patients say otherwise".

The last time I had a routine blood test, the nurse missed the vein and I fainted. I imagine some people might make a big deal about it, but I just asked for some ice for my neck, laid down a bit, and then drove home. Just one of those stimulus/reaction episodes I could do without!

But the real kicker is ... let's weigh the occasional side effects against possibly reversing a century of progress against diseases that used to kill millions of people each year. We each have a choice to either add to the fear and misery of the world, or not. Sad to see so much harm done.
 
Beerina said:
By accident happened to have that channel on while surfing, and I heard her mention flu vaccinations just now.

According to Wendy, some people get sick from it (semi-true*) But she seemed to be confused that you were actually getting the flu.

And this scientifically illiterate savage then went on to say, "And that's why I'm not getting a flu vaccine." Applause by audience.




* Your body is learning to fight off the flu, even though you are not getting the flu, and it turns out much of the sickness you feel during the regular flu is due to your body's response as it learns to fight off the virus, not due to the virus itself. So when it learns to kill off a fake or dead flu virus, the adaptations can cause much the same symptoms. Again, the sickness feeling is due to your body fighting off a virus, not the virus' activity directly.
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Not to belabor a point but I have yet to find a TV "personality" who is conversant in science. They are the wikipedia of the airwaves. Best used for entertainment only.
 
Beerina said:
By accident happened to have that channel on while surfing, and I heard her mention flu vaccinations just now.
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What a weird coincidence...I have seen this person for about 30 seconds in my entire life and it was exactly the scene you are describing. She self-identified as a 'conspiracy theorist' and was bad-mouthing vaccination programs (in schools I believe...)


Beerina said:
And this scientifically illiterate savage then went on to say, "And that's why I'm not getting a flu vaccine." Applause by audience.
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I was disturbed by how much support she got from her audience for saying something so stupid. Lots of clapping and encouragement for this woman...
 
shemp said:
Then there'll be plenty of flu shots for the intelligent. This is bad how?

p.s. I already got mine.
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Just in case this wasn't entirely tongue-in-cheek... plenty of intelligent but immunocompromised folks out there, too, that's "how" :(
 
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