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Well It Was No Cherry Pie...

crimresearch

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In the interests of being fair and balanced, shouldn't this incident be held in the same light as recent pie throwing assaults?

"A man spit tobacco juice into the face of actress Jane Fonda after waiting in line to have her sign her new book, police said.

The man ran off but was quickly caught by police Tuesday night and charged with disorderly conduct.

Fonda has been on tour and doing interviews to promote her just-published memoir, "My Life So Far."...."
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050420/ap_en_ot/fonda_spitter
 
It was in his mouth, full of saliva.

That's much worse than pie that hasn't been chewed.

gross.
 
I don't know...pie crusts are made from peanut oil, and you know how bad those peanut allergies can be...
 
would this be the first case of passive tobacco chewing?

I mean, if people keep this up Jane Fonda could be at an increased risk of cancer in, oh say 20 years so...
 
brodski said:
would this be the first case of passive tobacco chewing?

I mean, if people keep this up Jane Fonda could be at an increased risk of cancer in, oh say 20 years so...
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She was once Ted Turner's Cherry Pie. If that doesn't give you an increased risk of cancer, nothing will.
 
crimresearch said:
In the interests of being fair and balanced, shouldn't this incident be held in the same light as recent pie throwing assaults?
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I can't see any difference, except that the spit seems to be an escalation from pie/salad dressing/eggs, and righties are now getting into it.

At least nobody is throwing urine or feces.

Yet.
 
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aerocontrols said:
I can't see any difference, except that the spit seems to be an escalation from pie/salad dressing/eggs, and righties are now getting into it.

At least nobody is throwing urine or feces.

Yet.
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The Brittish can teach Americans a thing or two abbout how these situatutions should be handled.

It's the only language they understand

full story here
 
OK, before this thread gets moved to Humor by some puritanical mod, where are the limits on honest disagreement?

In the Commentary forum, I defended the right to be 'rude' to someone by refusing to shake their hand, just as I defended Randi's right to use the Benjamin Franklin quote about lying.

And I fully condone, and have taken part in less passive protests, such as marches, attempting to deliver a petition directly to the Governor's house, picketing, and boycotts.
All of those were calculated to bring attention to our cause, and specificaly, unfavorable attention to our opponents.

Giant papier mache caricatures of people are certainly not calculated to make friends with the targets.

And neither are spitting, pie throwing, or escalation to more aggressive acts.

But I have a hard time justifying the latter examples in the current context.

I find Jane Fonda thoroughly despicable for reasons that have nothing to do with her Vietnam activities, and I abhor her cynical arrogance in delivering a self-serving apology to keep her talentless career in the headlines.

And in a face to face situation, I would never shake her hand, and if prodded, would be delighted to tell her and everyone in earshot what I think about her, probably (no, certainly) resorting to such hyperbole as 'complicit in the deaths of thousands of women'...

But it would never occur to me to get physical about it.
 
If you really must get serious here.
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Spitting at some one (especially in the face) is a pretty good way of passing on some fairly nasty diseases, and should therefore (IMHO) be classified as assault. Throwing an egg or a pie is unlikely to result in any real harm, and should therefore not be classified as any more serious than verbal abuse.

To give this an international flavor in the UK any object (no matter how innocent) used in an attack on someone is classified as an "offensive weapon".
If the Deputy Prime Minister had not retaliated against that pikey the assailant would probably have been charged with "assault with an offensive weapon" a more serious crime than simple assault.
 
Darat said:
I think that is the line, this event caused great amusement in the UK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4067513.stm

But it was an assault.
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Noxious sewage flying though the air towards Kilroy?
Shome Mhistake Shurley?

Sorry I'm just can't take to many of these things seriously.

Actually back on a serious note I would considder that attck on Kilroy assult (all be it well overdue).

Ingestion of slurry can casue damaeg to helth and therefore would fit my defintion of what "should" be assult.
 
brodski said:
Spitting at some one (especially in the face) is a pretty good way of passing on some fairly nasty diseases, and should therefore (IMHO) be classified as assault. Throwing an egg or a pie is unlikely to result in any real harm, and should therefore not be classified as any more serious than verbal abuse.
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You can classify it as anything you want. But in the law, "the unlawful and unwanted touching or striking of one person by another, with the intention of bringing about a harmful or offensive contact" is called battery and it's a felony in these here parts.

I have no use whatever for Jane Fonda, but what crimresearch said.
 
They all ought to be locked up.
Though, spit is way worse than food (pre-chewed only).

When Ann Coulter came to Tucson she got hit with a pie. The two idiots that did it were "detained" and arrested. She recently wrote a screed about the whole affair. Apparently the charges against the pie throwers were dropped. According to Ann, the local prosecutor, a Democrat, just dropped the charges. Pima County is not a safe place for conservatives. The local rag ran the entire column with a lame feedback question at the end and a note that there was an accompanying story in the local section.
When you read the news story you see that the charges were dropped because neither Ann nor the arresting officer showed up. No mention of this fact in the Coulter column.

I think the paper should have done a better job of pointing out her blatant misstatements. Could the prosecutor sue her for libel???

Story
http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/allheadlines/70634.php

Coulter
http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/allheadlines/70648.php

Daredelvis
 
crimresearch said:
I find Jane Fonda thoroughly despicable for reasons that have nothing to do with her Vietnam activities, and I abhor her cynical arrogance in delivering a self-serving apology to keep her talentless career in the headlines.

And in a face to face situation, I would never shake her hand, and if prodded, would be delighted to tell her and everyone in earshot what I think about her, probably (no, certainly) resorting to such hyperbole as 'complicit in the deaths of thousands of women'...
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If you really wanted to make her hurt, you should shake her hand with a huge friendly smile and say "Wow! What was it like working with a real star like Dolly Parton in 9 to 5?" That would probably give her more pain than mere tobacco juice or a denunciation.
 
crimresearch said:
OK, before this thread gets moved to Humor by some puritanical mod, where are the limits on honest disagreement?
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It's civil disobedience, and that's not about legal limits. In spitting on her, he broke the law and should face the consequences.

At the same time, his act of civil disobedience accomplished something. He made the news, and reminded Jane Fonda of why people don't like her.

I suppose what I'm saying is there are more than one line to consider here. He crossed a legal line, he also crossed a line of good manners. In the end, it comes down to if he felt that making this point and getting this attention was worth crossing those lines.

He didn't injure or kill her, but there are many who would cross those lines too.
 
TragicMonkey said:
If you really wanted to make her hurt, you should shake her hand with a huge friendly smile and say "Wow! What was it like working with a real star like Dolly Parton in 9 to 5?" That would probably give her more pain than mere tobacco juice or a denunciation.
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Close: "Wow! What was it like working with a real star like Dabney Coleman in 9 to 5?"
 
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