Weird Australian Mommy Government?

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This comes from the December 2003 Newsletter of the Arms and Armour Society (London):

"It has been reported that The State Government od Victoria, Australia is introducing a new set of laws and a collector of swords will now require a licence similar to that required to collect firearms. That is bad enough but that is only the beginning-when the collector has obtained his license he will be allowed to keep hisswords not on open display but locked in a safe. Worse is yet to come for every sword will have to be stamped With an official government number. Imagine those superb Japanese 16th century blades or a fine 16th century rapier so defaced!"

Is this true? If so, are Australians really so untrustworthy, as a nation, that such legislation is called for? My God, do they wipe you too?
 
Perhaps their minority groups have graduated from clubs & spears to using swords? Are firearms not legally available to them?
 
Freedom to austrailia is like sex to Stephen Hawking.
 
The bulk of privately and legally owned firearms were confiscated in Australia a few years back (and the ensuing 400% increase in violent crimes is reported by the government to be unrelated)...now after a couple of endlessly publicized incidents involving 'Samurai Swords', it is apparently on the agenda of someone in the government to do the same with all blades....even theatrical prop blades which are unsharpened, Olympic fencing equipment, historical re-enactment, martial arts replicas magician's props, etc. would all be covered under the proposal..
There has been coverage of this on Sword Forum International for a while...looks like round two is coming up.

Paul Nunis
 
"Perhaps their minority groups have graduated from clubs & spears to using swords?"

Actually Australia's first round of gun control legislation came as a direct result of the Aboriginal people learning to shoot back at the Europeans.

Paul
 
Tony said:
Freedom to austrailia is like sex to Stephen Hawking.
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It really strikes me as odd.

Is there a big problem with edged weapons there that warrents such a law? If there was not a problem, why introduce a law?
 
crimresearch said:
now after a couple of endlessly publicized incidents involving 'Samurai Swords', it is apparently on the agenda of someone in the government to do the same with all blades....
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Sounds just like the US, a government full of reactionaries who pass laws everytime someone's death makes a news headline. Ephedra pill anyone?

A reactionary government is very dangerous since in the heat of the moment they can pass things much more dangerous than a silly sword ordinance.
 
I have seen a lot of Governmental over-reaching coming out of Australian newspapers lately. I first thought maybe it was sort of a bit of US ass-kissing because they are the first ones to comply with US requests for surveillance, and restrictions on travel and sales of technology and weapons. I'm not sure how they became so instantly buddy-buddy with us recently, but oh well.

Anyway, it's not that. From what I can tell there's a fairly long history of social censorship in Australia, with movies, video-games, and books being banned. MPs calling for internet porn restrictions and so forth...

I was kind of surprised.
 
Perhaps their minority groups have graduated from clubs & spears to using swords?

Really, hammegk, I had expected better trolling than THAT from you...
 
Proof positive that banning guns does NOTHING to stop crime, and now Austrailia is resorting to banning everything under the Sun that could even REMOTELY be dangerous.

After swords will come powertools, eating utensiles, and mother-in-laws- all of which have been deemed unsafe and/or dangerous.



BANNING GUNS WILL NOT STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING ANGRY, GREEDY, SELFISH, HOSTILE, DRUNK, STONED, JEALOUS, OR. . .

HUMAN!!!!

Humans are, and have always been violent, and have always sought to do harm to other human, even before guns were ever around. Why is it that people can't get this through their thick skulls?
 
Larspeart said:

Humans are, and have always been violent, and have always sought to do harm to other human, even before guns were ever around. Why is it that people can't get this through their thick skulls?
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I suspect many people recognize that truth. Some of us also agree it's better to fight poorly armed opponents.



crimresearch said:

Actually Australia's first round of gun control legislation came as a direct result of the Aboriginal people learning to shoot back at the Europeans.
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Accepted as anecdotal (and I have no reason to dispute it).

Have you noticed the startling co-incidence in the USA of the need for gun control to the 1960's Black Panther/SLA/nutcase movements (off the pigs, blah, blah)? ;)


Where is the Da Fool to point out how many racists are posting??

And AUP_AWK_THE SKY IS FALLING to explain we should all just chill & feel the love. :D

Maybe it's something in the water down there .... ???
 
Larspeart said:
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Humans are, and have always been violent, and have always sought to do harm to other human, even before guns were ever around. Why is it that people can't get this through their thick skulls?
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So is it not a good thing that we recognise normal human behaviour and try everything we can to reduce the likelihood that from this normal human behaviour someone is injured? (Is there a smilie for “really just an innocent question”.)
 
hammegk said:

Where is the Da Fool to point out how many racists are posting??
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whats the matter massa? Did your trolling not get the desired response? One day you will get over having your plantation repossesed....until then we can probably forgive you some lingering feelings of resentment.
 
Ed said:
This comes from the December 2003 Newsletter of the Arms and Armour Society (London):

"It has been reported that The State Government od Victoria, Australia is introducing a new set of laws and a collector of swords will now require a licence similar to that required to collect firearms. That is bad enough but that is only the beginning-when the collector has obtained his license he will be allowed to keep hisswords not on open display but locked in a safe. Worse is yet to come for every sword will have to be stamped With an official government number. Imagine those superb Japanese 16th century blades or a fine 16th century rapier so defaced!"

Is this true? If so, are Australians really so untrustworthy, as a nation, that such legislation is called for? My God, do they wipe you too?
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Cry me a river Ed... I'm sure that people with "superb Japanese 16th century bladed or fine 16th century rapiers" keep them under thier car seats in case they meet someone they don't like. Anyone who is a collector would already have thier collection covered by paperwork for insurance...If one more form is going to destroy thier lives then tough luck... Because of our gun controls thugs who cannot now pick up a handgun in every bar for 10 bucks are taking to suddenly showing an interest in collecting swords...and using them to maim people.... I understand why you would not do anything about this, personal freedom to do drunken ninja impersonations and all..... but we are doing something about it...

You really should be more careful mentioning Australia, it gets Hammegk horny.
 
crimresearch said:
The bulk of privately and legally owned firearms were confiscated in Australia a few years back (and the ensuing 400% increase in violent crimes is reported by the government to be unrelated)...
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Sometimes the arguments of the guns-for-all crowd reminds me of the arguments put forward by creationists. There are just some facts that won't stay de-bunked. We found a whale that crosses three strata, that proves the world is less than 6000 years old. We carbon-dated an oyster that said it was 32 million years old, that proves the world is less than 6000 years old.

Or, if it's guns we're talking about, it's the ol' chestnut, "tonnes of guns were confiscated in Australia by the government, and crime went up".

Bullsh!t

Crim"research", post some sources next time you want to spout nonsense, especially nonsense of the tirelessly-trotted-out variety.
 
Talking swords here. Talking gun cases for bleeding swords. Swords, you know, a leaf spring ground down a bit. Is the thought that if all risk is removed you will live to 150?
 
Ed said:
Talking swords here. Talking gun cases for bleeding swords. Swords, you know, a leaf spring ground down a bit. Is the thought that if all risk is removed you will live to 150?
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You might be talking swords, but CR used false claims to support his argument.

As to swords, no, that's where I personally draw the line, but I don't live in Vic so I can't do anything about it. I'm too busy trying to get the NSW government to see sense regarding the 'under 16's can't buy blades' law currently enacted.
 
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