Website claims to prove God exists

There was already a thread dedicated to this website.

Sure it doesn't provide mathematical/scientific evidence of the existence of God, but it was cute nonetheless. :D
 
http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/index.php


Well I guess that wraps it up....Next question. /sarcasm


This seems to be an extended version of the ontological argument with Christianity mixed in at the end.
Everything from common sense to science screams out that Ghosts do not exist but even so I love a good ghost story. Its my belief that factors can come together which will cause a person or persons to believe they saw the shade of a dead person.

Heres what happened to me when I was a young man. I was alone in my house when I saw movement in the darkened living room beside where I was sitting on the floor watching TV. I saw a short hairy scowling man walking a few inches above the floor. I jumped up and this vision hid behind an easy chair. I looked behind the chair and nothing was there. Ghost? Well many years later I was watching classic horror movies and when I saw Lon Chaney walking in the woods wearing his werewolf makeup I realised that for some reason my mind had recreated this same movie scene in my living room. In the movie Lon Chaney is moving left but in my vision he was moving right. A reverse mental recording and not a ghost.

During the initial event I had not been drinking or using drugs but for some reason which my psychiatrist says was caused by extreme boredom I saw Lon Chaney walk across my living room floor.
 
There was already a thread dedicated to this website.

Sure it doesn't provide mathematical/scientific evidence of the existence of God, but it was cute nonetheless. :D


Oh, sorry. I did a search, but could not find it before I posted this. Does anyone have a link?
 
I lurked through the original thread on this page, but here is a quick summary of the page's content:

Absolute truth exists, laws of logic exist, laws of mathematics exist, laws of science exist, absolute moral laws exist, and these laws are immaterial, universal, and unchanging. A universe without god cannot have laws that are universal, immaterial, and unchanging, therefore god exists.

I hit the "end of the road" on two parts. The claimed existence of absolute moral laws and the claimed immaterial nature of the laws of science, math, and logic. The conclusion doesn't make much sense to me either, even after agreeing to the above.
 
Abolute truth exists?

Well, within its context, sure. 2 + 2 = 4



Laws of math exist?

Sure. See above.



Laws of science exist?

Well, not per se. We have formulae and theories that match observations to one degree or another, and the best are those that match all observations we can make with current technology. I don't know if these necessarily reflect how reality functions at a low level, though. So I'll say no.


If you do not believe in scientific laws then you would have no way of predicting what matter does.

False. We have theories that we feel are reliable, but not that they are necessarily some basis from which the universe is not permitted to deviate. It's the other way around. We form our theory, then see if it deviates from the universe.





Gee. Think he'll realize or fix his glaring error?




Worse, you say yes to that, then it asks you about absolute morality. Of course, that a god says something is moral doesn't make it absolutely moral. That's just an argument from authority.

Another error he's made.



And you get past that, he then starts to conflate absolute truths with immaterial vs. material.


We judge molesting children to be wrong for very secular, real-world reasons: the effect it has on children. Not because some god says so.


Which, by the way, I don't think Yahweh even says, though he does say to kill innocent children from time to time. So much for absolute morality even when spoken from the mouth of a god.
 
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Not surprisingly, if you choose a "wrong" answer the site lectures you that you are in fact not thinking clearly and should return when you are.

I chose "Molesting children is right in some cases" because clearly some people think that molesting children is right. The website didn't approve...
 
Many people have disagreements with the various steps along the way with Sye's (the website owner) "proof". But even if you agree with every single step (which I more or less do), the conclusion is still a non-sequitur. There is no reason to assume that absolute non-material principles cannot exist just because you believe God does not exist. Nowhere in his ramblings does Sye ever give a reasonable proof that these things must come from God.

And for those interested, my own exchange with Sye on AtheistNation:
http://www.atheistnation.net/forums/index.php/topic,2091.0.html
(it's kind of boring, really, and Sye quits before we are finished)
 
Lots of web sites claim to prove that God exists. This one is a classic: http://www.geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/. He defines a 4-dimensional space in which a point would represent a person's mental properties. Then he says that God is the Einstein tensor of that space. Q.E.D., and people who disagree are morons.

(I think he defined his 4D space in a way that would make the Einstein tensor 0, so did he just prove that God=0?)
 
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There was already a thread dedicated to this website.

Sure it doesn't provide mathematical/scientific evidence of the existence of God, but it was cute nonetheless. :D

Yup, that's correct and it was ME who created it.

Sorry, couldn't resist it.

But lately a lot of people have been opening threads about topics I had already devoted a thread to.


Maybe people need to be aware that mr Ron Tomkins already shares the royalties of many of these topics? Hmmmm? :)
 
Many people have disagreements with the various steps along the way with Sye's (the website owner) "proof". But even if you agree with every single step (which I more or less do), the conclusion is still a non-sequitur. There is no reason to assume that absolute non-material principles cannot exist just because you believe God does not exist. Nowhere in his ramblings does Sye ever give a reasonable proof that these things must come from God.....


And how he goes from his "proof" of the existence of a God directly to the existence of the Christian God seems like a non-sequitur at best.
 
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Yup, that's correct and it was ME who created it.

Sorry, couldn't resist it.

But lately a lot of people have been opening threads about topics I had already devoted a thread to.


Maybe people need to be aware that mr Ron Tomkins already shares the royalties of many of these topics? Hmmmm? :)


Again, I apologize for not searching hard enough for your thread. I will certainly have my lawyers talk to your lawyers to see if we can come to an arrangement.:)
 
Lots of web sites claim to prove that God exists. This one is a classic: http://www.geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/. He defines a 4-dimensional space in which a point would represent a person's mental properties. Then he says that God is the Einstein tensor of that space. Q.E.D., and people who disagree are morons.

(I think he defined his 4D space in a way that would make the Einstein tensor 0, so did he just prove that God=0?)


God what a POS article. Where to begin?

He notes the observation that the average human is physically much larger than their ancestors. This is due to nutrition. But he ignores that, and instead:

"A modern soldier is so much larger than his ancestors he cannot even fit into a medieval suit of armor for instance.

This mean that Man has never been fully grown, and will only reach full growth in the distant future."

"Fully grown" is an arbitrary line he's set down. Moreover, although one could presume people would grow even slightly larger with even better nutrition, it would be incorrect to think they'd necessarily be perfectly healthy.

We evolved in a context of recurring periods of starvation and so on. Our (nor any animal's) genetics may not be optimized for a state of excellent nutrition. Consider the people who grow extra tall -- they tend to have very long bones, but their internal organs don't keep up, and thus become strained from overuse. Specifically, an enlarged heart becomes a problem (as it does for the obese and weight lifters who maintain large quantities of muscle mass later in life.)

So feed someone enough nutrition, they may out-grow the ability of their heart to keep up in a healthy manner.



But his very next sentence is:

"This means that the human brain is not fully grown."

Which DNF, given above. Take a moment to generate your own sarcastic remark about how his words demonstrate his brain is not fully grown.

Onward:

"Now, modern research on Intelligence has proven that Mental Speed is the main biological component of Intelligence. So a brain growth deficit reduces Mental Speed"

Does not necessarily follow. But that's how the religious mind works. Any tenuous link becomes The Truth, since the Overall Truth of God is accepted without question.

(And one wonders why they don't realize that, even presuming God exists and is as the Bible says, they'd still need to demonstrate the actuality of all these tenuous, claimed links.)

"and this is why it decreases IQ or intelligence. The brain growth deficit cause a sort of "time dilation" in human perception. Shortly we will discover that it actually is a Relativistic time dilation."



So:

1. Better nutrition builds bigger bodies.
2. This trend will continue.
3. Bigger bodies means bigger brains.
4. Bigger brains means more powerful brains.
5. More powerful brains means faster brains*.
6. Faster means time dilation means relativity means I pwned time physics!
 
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And how he goes from his "proof" of the existence of a God directly to the existence of the Christian God seems like a non-sequitur at best.

It's true! He told me that the Judaic god and the Muslim God don't satisfy his proof!
 

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