Waterboy Speculates on How They Got the Nano-Thermite In

[Brainster]

The "responsible" Troofers don't usually engage in speculation like this, but Kevin Ryan boldly goes where Steven Jones and Richard Gage fear to tread. He's put together two extremely long and dense articles on who would have had the necessary access to the World Trade Center. The first part focuses on the tenants in the area near the impact zone, while the second reviews the firms providing security to the towers.

They are, predictably, a very nasty pair of papers filled with innuendo and Ryan's own unique interpretation of images and videos. For example, talking about the Port Authority's World Trade Center Director Alan Reiss:

Many senior managers at the PANYNJ who had knowledge of the buildings died on 9/11 trying to help others escape, [31] but Reiss survived. In his testimony to the 9/11 Commission, Reiss stated -- “We were stunned when 2 WTC was also hit by a plane. The police officers and I rushed to the rear emergency exit and looked up at the tower and realized we were at war…At the Port Authority Police’s request, I then returned to the vicinity of 6 World Trade Center to assess the condition of One World Trade Center with then-Captain Whitaker, commander of the PA Police at the WTC, just as the tower began to collapse. We were both enveloped by this churning black debris cloud as we ran north on West Street. It was darker than any burning building I have ever been in as a volunteer fireman, and it was next to impossible to breathe due to the debris in the air.”

One problem with Reiss’ testimony is that people who had been “enveloped by [the] churning black debris cloud” were completely covered in dust. [32] But Alan Reiss, who is said to have narrowly escaped the 1993 bombing as well, did not appear to have any dust or debris on him despite having been covered by the dust clouds. An interview with Reiss just moments after the destruction of the towers, in which Reiss’ police escort turned his back on Reiss and appeared unusually uncomfortable, demonstrated this fact. [33]

Here's the video that Ryan cites:



The Port Authority Police Chief William Hall is standing closer to the reporter, and so of course he turns his back on Reiss when talking to the reporter; it's not some sign of disrespect. Ryan claims that this interview came just moments after the collapse of the towers, but this seems unlikely for several reasons. First, Reiss describes having to dig out of the basement of the building he was in (WTC-6), and second, as we can see the dust cloud has dissipated/settled to the ground, which took awhile.

And when Hall is not talking to the reporter, he's looking off to the left, which the video creator and Ryan find very suspicious. The video guy also misses that the devastation to buildings 5 and 6 shown are after both tower collapses; presumably Hall and Reiss got out of there after the South Tower collapsed.

It is notable that Hall and Reiss do not see dusty or dirty, but it's also not impossible to imagine that this video is taking place an hour or two after the collapses and thus they'd had a chance to wash off their faces and shake the dust from their clothes.

Anyway, I thought I'd link it here so that people could play a little whack-a-mole with the Waterboy.

 

[Pardalis]

He's venturing dangerously into defamation territory.

 

[MikeW]

Yes, I noticed these earlier. He's following the Peter Dale Scott approach: place thousands of dots in the air, then join some of them together and pretend he's proved something. Truthers who think that number of footnotes is an indication of quality will be duly impressed, and he hopes everyone else will be too intimidated to argue.

An example:

Securacom director and retired Air Force General James Abrahamson was a former NASA administrator, and a former director of Reagan’s Space Defense Initiative (SDI). As director of the SDI program from 1984 to 1989, he worked closely with Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Frank Gaffney and Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Perle, both of whom were signatories on PNAC documents. As a civilian, Abrahamson was President of Hughes Aircraft, and a director of Turkey’s Global Group. He became a director of Securacom in December 1997. [106]

Although the availability of explosives was established during the review of WTC tenants, we might note that NASA uses explosives extensively in the launching of spacecraft, and has done so for fifty years. Today, there are “more than 250 strategically placed and precisely timed explosive devices that detonate on the space shuttle each time the vehicle flies.” [107] Lockheed Martin is a major NASA supplier in that regard. [108] NASA also uses thermite technology, for space separation explosives and for initiators, and as with the improvised explosive devices that kill our soldiers in the Middle East, there is no need for extensive wiring to detonate them.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0908/S00107.htm

So a) Securacom once had something to do with WTC security, b) someone who worked at Securacom previously worked at Nasa, and c) Nasa use explosives and thermite. Ooh: now that's compelling evidence for, uh, something. Probably.

Look at the detail elsewhere and you find the same old truther rhetoric, like "Larry Silverstein, whose company had just taken over the security of the complex, reaped a huge windfall in insurance benefits from the destruction of the three buildings", and "Wirt Walker III" was "a cousin of the Bush brothers" (second link). It makes me wonder how many of Ryan's other statements of fact here are also not factual at all, but I can think of better things to do than waste my time checking.

 

[alienentity]

I skimmed the article and looked at the list of references (very illuminating).

Mr. Ryan is just taking the next logical step from the usual vague accusations and allegations made by his colleagues, with predictable results, IMHO. I think it serves to illustrate that the 9/11 'truth' movement is largely impotent - there is nothing to offer but suspicion and speculation, and there probably never will be...

The whole movement is a dead-end, at least in terms of producing a legitimate criminal prosecution of the phantom perpetrators of the alleged conspiracy.

But I suppose it gives the cadre of truthers another potential morsel to type madly about on their obscure internet forums. That's something, I guess.

 

[alienentity]

He also has a hard-on for debunkers. He lists them (I can't find the quote at the moment) among those who should be looked at.

He sounds like a paranoid wacko to me.

 

[boloboffin]

He also has a hard-on for debunkers. He lists them (I can't find the quote at the moment) among those who should be looked at.

He sounds like a paranoid wacko to me.

He writes for paranoid wackos. These latest papers are like instructions on how best to cloud your mind on any issue you choose. He's the Karl Rove of 9/11 Truth.

 

[njslim]

Ahh - maybe it was in the water....

 

[LashL]

He's venturing dangerously into defamation territory.

He is, indeed. Fortunately for Waterboy, however, most of those whom he purports to accuse of complicity in mass murder tend to pay no mind to blathering nutjobs on the street corner.

 

[A W Smith]

So where is waterboy employed now since Underwater Laboratories fired him years ago? Or is 9/11 conspiracy his new career?

 

[WUBRINY63]

So where is waterboy employed now since Underwater Laboratories fired him years ago? Or is 9/11 conspiracy his new career?

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[A W Smith]

Edited by Locknar: 

Moderated content removed.

So you're saying hes chronically unemployed then?

Thanks!

 

[ElMondoHummus]

I've seen it posted on the internet that he's working for a pharmecutical company in Bloomington, In. I have no way to verify that information.

ETA: Look, it doesn't really matter what he does for a living. What matters are the claims he makes. When he makes demonstrably wrong claims regarding 9/11, then the problem lays in what he says, not whether he's employed or not.

If he's employed, good. If he's not, well that's bad for him. Either way, my opinion of him is not based on what he does for a living. His job has no bearing on what I think.

 

[TokenMac]

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[A W Smith]

ETA: Look, it doesn't really matter what he does for a living. What matters are the claims he makes. When he makes demonstrably wrong claims regarding 9/11, then the problem lays in what he says, not whether he's employed or not.

If he's employed, good. If he's not, well that's bad for him. Either way, my opinion of him is not based on what he does for a living. His job has no bearing on what I think.

We already know his claims are demonstrably false.

But paradoxically, we have also been asked to believe Bush’s own outrageous conspiracy theory about 9/11, one that has proven to be false in many ways.

False

One important way to see the false nature of Bush’s conspiracy theory is to note the fact that the World Trade Center buildings could only have fallen as they did through the use of explosives.

False

A number of independent scientific studies have pointed out this fact

False

it was Bush’s own scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), through their inability to provide a convincing defense of the official line, who ultimately proved that explosives were necessary.

False

And I could go on and on, that's just one paragraph. Seems he cant pick up a keyboard without immediately typing out lie after lie.


My point was he is so steeply soaked in WOO and incompetent that it seems he has either become unemployable. OR has latched onto the movement to provide his income through speaking engagements and authorship.

ETA
He even lies about the reason he was fired

Kevin Ryan is the former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Mr. Ryan, a Chemist and laboratory manager, was fired by UL in 2004 for publicly questioning the report being drafted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) on their World Trade Center investigation.

False
Court records show otherwise.
He was fired for misrepresenting his employer by using company letterheads for purely personal agenda driven opinions.

 

[TJM]

Wow.

I like his formula: Compile a list of everyone connected to the Bush Administration, cross referrence with a list of anyone who had set foot in or apparently spoke of the World Trade Center. Tack it up to the wall, throw crap at it and see what sticks.

My favorite passage:

Approximately fifty people were named in the review of the WTC tenants and their possible links to explosive technology and expertise. Of course this assessment was not meant to suggest that all of those people were involved in planting explosives in the WTC buildings, but it merely answered the question of whether or not those who had the necessary access to the buildings, at the appropriate times, might have also had access to the necessary technologies. But it is worthwhile to note that, even if all of those fifty people were involved, we would still be well below the lowest estimates of the extent of the Al Qaeda organization. Therefore, the common claim made by those opposing any further questioning of 9/11 -- that any conspiracy involving insiders would have had to be too vast and could not be kept secret -- is not supported by the facts. In actuality, as we will continue to see in this series of essays, the hypothesis of insiders being involved remains a simpler explanation than the “outsider only” hypothesis in terms of the complexity of the conspiracy, in addition to being far more feasible logistically.

Truther BS at its finest.

 

[~enigma~]

Truther logic

That is almost as dumb as jumbo shrimp.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

That is almost as dumb as jumbo shrimp.

Don't be getting down on my delicious crustacean friends.

"You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich."

 

[TJM]

That is almost as dumb as jumbo shrimp.

Sorry. Fixed.

 

[~enigma~]

Don't be getting down on my delicious crustacean friends.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8848/bubba7411780.jpg

"You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich."

Ok...how about peacekeeping missile or a deafening silence?

 

[~enigma~]

Sorry. Fixed.