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Washington's Farewell Address

Tony

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I was listening to the Alan Colmes show last night on Sirius Left and some guy called in talking about how the 4 Christian principles in Washington's Farewell Address, which were once part of public school curriculum, had been censored, suppressed, and just not taught in the schools anymore. Anyone familiar with this claim? Anyone know what this guy was talking about?
 
Here's the text of the Farewell Address.

I didn't read the whole thing (it's rather long, but I did a text search.

I couldn't find the term "Christian Principles" in it.

I couldn't find the word "Christian" in it.

I found three or four uses of the word "principles," none of which seemed to have anything to do with Christianity.
 
I also tried searching for "divine" "Creator" "God"and "four".

Not in there. The censorship must be total.

On the other hand, I found the following site in a related search:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

In which the 1797 treaty of Tripoli is disussed. Signed by President Adams and ratified by the Senate, it contains the following little gem:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
 
Googling "george washington 4 christian principles farewell address"

I get 93,000 hits.


This seems to be a bit of an ideological hobby-horse for some.


Students today aren't told much about Washington's "Farewell Address", they are told it is hard to find, and that it is rarely seen printed. When the teacher does mention it, it is taught that Washington warned America about getting involved in foreign affairs, and the growth of political parties. This speech was commonplace in history texts prior to the 1960s. The problem with Washington's famous speech was that out of the twelve warnings he gave, four were overly religious, and therefore unsuitable for students to be exposed to.(Barton America's..., p.8) Washington said, "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports." He also states, "Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds...reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles." How blatant can you get? The first president of the United States, the man that the Founders unanimously chose as their leader, says that religious principles and morality are vital to the success of a government! How could the Supreme Court ignore this evidence? Nobody knows.("George Washington")
 
Hey, ever hear the one about how at the end of Age of Reason, Thomas Paine said "Jesus Saves" in big bold letters? It's long been edited out of printings subsequent to when Satan took over Penquin Classics.

Also, I have it on good authority that there is a long-lost tape recording of pillow talk between Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings in which Thom laments that everyone thinks he wrote "wall of separation between ...," when in reality he wrote "wall of protection around church and state." Charles Darwin fed the tape to a Galapagos finch.

Isn't Benjamin Franklin credited with saying, "waste not, want not?" Well that's a bastardization of his immortal utterance, "pray a lot, die not."
 
BPSCG said:
Here's the text of the Farewell Address.
References I've found that are even remotely religious:
Paragraph 6
Profoundly penetrated with this idea, I shall carry it with me to my grave, as a strong incitement to unceasing vows that Heaven may continue to you the choicest tokens of its beneficence; that your union and brotherly affection may be perpetual; that the free constitution, which is the work of your hands, may be sacredly maintained; that its administration in every department may be stamped with wisdom and virtue; than, in fine, the happiness of the people of these States, under the auspices of liberty, may be made complete, by so careful a preservation and so prudent a use of this blessing, as will acquire to them the glory of recommending it to the applause, the affection, and adoption of every nation, which is yet a stranger to it.
I would take that more as a literary device, but I suppose it is a religious reference. (Washington: Master of the run-on sentence)
Paragraph 10
With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles.
It's a sweeping generalization. I don't think I would take that as a statement of fact as much as an attempt to unite everyone to a common side.
Paragraph 19
Liberty itself will find in such a government, with powers properly distributed and adjusted, its surest guardian.
Actually, I thought this line was decidedly anti-religious in that it calls more on a humanist approach to protect the government rather than a divine approach.
Paragraph 27
Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
This paragraph supports the idea that religion is important to good moral character, but fails to specify which religion. It is equally applicable to any religion that supports morality.
Paragraph 28
It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric ?
Continued from the previous quote, this does seem to support that Washington considered religion an important aspect of free government.
Paragraph 29
Promote, then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.
Washington in this quote, however, appears that he would absolutely disapprove of modern-day fundamentalism.
Paragraph 31
Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and Morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and, at no distant period, a great Nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence
Again, supports the notion that Washington saw "Religion and Morality" as critical to a free government. An "exalted justice and benevolence" could be a reference to God, I suppose. It could easily be a reference to one of the many abstract spirits that Washington refers to through out.



That's it. I went through the whole thing and that's all I could find. The closest of all of it was the twice referenced "Religion and Morality" that Washington believed was necessary to keep politicians from becoming corrupt. I didn't see anything that could be referred to as "four Christian principles".
 
I can't find a listing of the "four Christian principles," but every site which I can find that alleges Christianity in Washington's farewell address seems to trace back to a Rev. David Barton who apparently makes a career out of quoting the Founding Fathers out of context, and even misquoting them when necessary in order to prove that the nation was "founded on Christian principles."

Christian revisionism
 
Upchurch said:
(Washington: Master of the run-on sentence)
Not really. Yeah, he wrote very long sentences, but they were grammatically and syntactically sound, even though following what he was saying takes real patience.

But he didn't write run-on sentences you know the kind where the structure isn't proper I think you see what I'm saying in this sentence its a run-on sentence you notice how there are no commas and all that that's what makes it a run-on sentence.

If you take the time to read a Washington sentence slowly (I recommend you pause briefly at each comma), you'll see they are long and wandering, but their structure is sound.
 
corplinx said:
How's his Sirius show btw?

Not bad. I highly recommend Sirius radio, just about any type of music/news/entertainment you could want.

I'll comment on the other posts later, thanks BPSCG and Silicon.
 
Last I heard, Washington never said it. It was ghost written and attributed to him. I'll have to look it up, but I think the last I saw of it was on Snopes. (Could be wrong. I'll let you know.)
 
Tony:
"...part of public school curriculum..."

John Pilger finds our children learning lies
How many more innocent people have to die before those who filter the past and the present wake up to their moral responsibility to protect our memory and the lives of human beings?
http://207.44.245.159/article8112.htm
 
I think the key answer to this one is to hand someone the printed text of the speech and have them point to the four christian principles.


That'll shut em up. Just wading through that verbiage would shut em up. MAN that Washington could talk.
 
I know that in his 1st inaugeral address, he uses the term 'Creator' quite a bit, but does not use the term 'God'. In his day, that would have been seen as quite progressive.

He still is the best president the United States has ever had. I would vote his rotting corpse in over any of the recent presidents in we have had.
 

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