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WalpinGate

BeAChooser

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This one might be serious, folks. So at least TRY to show a little skepticism where what the Obama administration claims is concerned ...

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/15/the-curious-firing-of-gerald-walpin-gets-curiouser/

Senator Charles Grassley has demanded records from the Obama administration over the dismissal of the Inspector General for Americorps and raises the possibility that Barack Obama broke a law he co-sponsored in the Senate that protects the independence of the IGs. The firing comes as the Obama administration cut a sweetheart deal with a major Obama backer that allows him to receive federal funding as mayor of Sacramento, and fails to repay taxpayers for the money Kevin Johnson admittedly took illegally

More:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/06/023837.php

This is classic Obama: an Inspector General investigates how a non-profit in Sacramento uses AmeriCorps funds and finds that the head of the organization, a prominent Obama supporter, used a lot of the money to pay recipients to wash his car, run errands for him, etc. The Inspector General blows the whistle, and promptly finds himself in Obama's crosshairs. Obama, in his usual bullying way, first demands that he resign within an hour. When Walpin refuses to do so, Obama high-handedly fires him without stating any cause, in apparent violation of the 2008 statute, co-sponsored by Obama, which was intended to assure the independence of the Inspectors General. When Senate Democrats expressed their dissatisfaction with that end-run around the law, Obama invented a whole new story to the effect that Walpin had to be fired because he was senile and incompetent.

More:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...estions-on-AmeriCorps-IG-firing-48285832.html

White House refuses to answer Senate questions on AmeriCorps IG firing

More:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-tc-nw-inspectors-0617-0618jun18,0,5718990.story

Senator asks about firings of watchdogs
Removal of 2 inspectors general prompts questions
June 18, 2009

... snip ..

Grassley is now concerned about whether a pattern is emerging in which the independence of the government's top watchdogs -- whose jobs were authorized by Congress to look out for waste, fraud and abuse -- is being put at risk.

More:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/06/023837.php

WALPIN SPEAKS, OBAMA ADMINISTRATION CLAMS UP

June 17, 2009

Fired Inspector General Gerald Walpin has responded aggressively to new claims by the Obama administration that he was fired from his job because he was "confused," and, perhaps, senile. Byron York records Walpin's response, which is, to say the least, coherent, much more than we can say for Obama's ever-shifting stories about why he fired an Inspector General who caused trouble for a prominent supporter of the administration. Byron himself notes that Walpin exhibits no sign of any "confusion:"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoiDGxS1crs

"Confused" Inspector General Takes Competency Test by Glenn Beck

More:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...house-explanation-baseless-says-hes-targeted/

Fired IG Calls White House Explanation 'Baseless,' Says He's Being Targeted

Gerald Walpin, who until last week was the inspector general for the Corporation for National and Community Service, tells FOXNews.com that part of President Obama's explanation for firing him was a "total lie" and that he feels he's got a target on his back for political reasons.

More:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/18/a-witness-to-walpin-gate/

EDITORIAL: A witness to Walpin-gate
The White House excuse for firing an IG falls flat

More:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/webl...kevin-johnson-admits-friendly-connection-oba/

Video: Kevin Johnson admitted friendly connection to Obamas

A video found by Naked Emperor News shows an interview with Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson admitting his close relationship with both the president and the first lady and later denying the relationship. Mr. Johnson is currently embroiled in the Walpin-gate controversy. His non-profit, St. HOPE Academy, is being investigated by the FBI over allegations that an executive at the nonprofit founded by Mr. Johnson obstructed a federal inquiry into the group's spending.

What's Obama hiding, folks? Who is he protecting? Why is he acting like Bill Clinton? Where's all that vaunted transparency? :D
 

He's not hiding anything, he's going to turn America communist and install himself as dictator for life. Islam will become the national religion and all states that voted against him will be given to Islamic fundies to comprise "New Mecca". Then he will stamp out all dissent with an iron fist until his death after which the son born of his gay love affair will take over.

Oh, before you wear out the smilies in a "I see you didn't address the content" post, you're right, I didn't. No one should until people stop adding that dumass "gate" to the end of everything that even remotely resembles a political scandal.
 
Oh, before you wear out the smilies in a "I see you didn't address the content" post, you're right, I didn't. No one should until people stop adding that dumass "gate" to the end of everything that even remotely resembles a political scandal.

Oh I see. Because someone adds a "gate" to the end of a scandal name (a tradition started by democrats, by the way), it should be ignored? Funny how ignoring scandals for that reason started once democrat scandals started getting that suffix too. Remember Chinagate? CampaignFinanceGate? RapeGate? TravelGate? FileGate? EmailGate? FosterGate? BrownGate? Yeah, democrats didn't want to discuss those at all. Still don't. So your response is not unexpected. :D
 
Oh I see. Because someone adds a "gate" to the end of a scandal name (a tradition started by democrats, by the way), it should be ignored? Funny how ignoring scandals for that reason started once democrat scandals started getting that suffix too. Remember Chinagate? CampaignFinanceGate? RapeGate? TravelGate? FileGate? EmailGate? FosterGate? BrownGate? Yeah, democrats didn't want to discuss those at all. Still don't. So your response is not unexpected. :D

Watergate was ligit, the rest are stupid. Also, there is a pretty big difference between Watergate and the "gates" you mentioned (as well as a myriad of other "gates". That difference being, Watergate was proven. Most of the others, not so much.
 
BAC's list of links looks like a classic echo chamber exercise. It certainly explains why I keep finding tempests in my teapot.

Redtail is right. Fake and/or insignificant. Whats next, a list of people Clinton killed?

Now Iran Contra. That was a scandal. HUD, that was dirty. Reagan's admin was immensely crooked and there were real crimes with real convictions. Made Nixon look like a goody two shoes.
 
Watergate was ligit, the rest are stupid. Also, there is a pretty big difference between Watergate and the "gates" you mentioned (as well as a myriad of other "gates". That difference being, Watergate was proven. Most of the others, not so much.

That's only your biased, uniformed opinion.

Do you know that the democrat who wrote the articles of impeachment against Nixon went on the record after Clinton's impeachment trial saying that Clinton should have been impeached a second time because of his abuse of the IRS and FBI? In fact, he said what Clinton did there was far worse than what Nixon did.

Do you know that the life long democrat (who voted for Clinton, btw) who investigated the allegations against Clinton during the impeachment for the House Managers completely disagrees with you? He called Clinton's administration a criminal enterprise and said that the country was sold out by the democrats AND republicans in the Senate when they limited the impeachment to accusations about lying under oath concerning a sexual affair. He even said that had the statute of limitations not expired he would have personally charged Clinton with the rape of Juanita Broaddrick and investigated the deaths of Foster and Brown.

The fact is that each and every time I've tried to debate Chinagate, CampaignFinanceGate, Filegate, FosterGate and BrownGate with liberals on this forum, your side of the aisle has refused to do battle, with but few exceptions (and those folks were been proven wrong concerning "facts" they claimed over and over). And anyone can browse this forum looking for threads on these topics to verify that what I say is absolutely true. Which is why I point this out.

Not that anything I post is going to change your views. :rolleyes:
 
That's only your biased, uniformed opinion.

No it's not. a.) Watergate was ligit due to it's connection with the Watergate hotel. The rest are stupid. b.) Which one of the others have been proven?
Do you know that the democrat who wrote the articles of impeachment against Nixon went on the record after Clinton's impeachment trial saying that Clinton should have been impeached a second time because of his abuse of the IRS and FBI? In fact, he said what Clinton did there was far worse than what Nixon did.
Do you know who was in control of congress before, during, and after Clinton's impeachment trial? The fact that they didn't jump on that after should tell you something.
Do you know that the life long democrat (who voted for Clinton, btw) who investigated the allegations against Clinton during the impeachment for the House Managers completely disagrees with you? He called Clinton's administration a criminal enterprise and said that the country was sold out by the democrats AND republicans in the Senate when they limited the impeachment to accusations about lying under oath concerning a sexual affair. He even said that had the statute of limitations not expired he would have personally charged Clinton with the rape of Juanita Broaddrick and investigated the deaths of Foster and Brown.
Still waiting for where these "gates" were proved there sparky.
The fact is that each and every time I've tried to debate Chinagate, CampaignFinanceGate, Filegate, FosterGate and BrownGate with liberals on this forum, your side of the aisle has refused to do battle, with but few exceptions (and those folks were been proven wrong concerning "facts" they claimed over and over). And anyone can browse this forum looking for threads on these topics to verify that what I say is absolutely true. Which is why I point this out.
Then why didn't a Republican controlled congress AND a Republican president with a Republican controlled congress bring Billy boy to justice? :D



Not that anything I post is going to change your views. :rolleyes:

Well that would be because you're wrong.
 
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Let's see.

A Democrat (Johnson) receives government money for a nonprofit, and misuses it. An extremely partisan republican IG (Walpin) gets on the case and bombards the local attorney (Brown) with carefully selected evidence.

Walpin is not content and injects himself into the elections campaign, accusing Johnson of criminal wrongdoing.

Brown finds gross negligence but no criminal wrongdoing, and releases a scathing report about Johnson.

The President decides to replace the IG, as is his right and duty.
 
BAC, I really mean this: why are you so masochistic?

ProbeX, I really mean this: why would you think I find your failure to address any of the facts noted in the OP abusive or dominant? You can't win this debate by ignoring the facts and using adhominems instead. But, perhaps YOU are a masochistic. :D
 
The real scandal is, who nominated this piece of work in the first place?

From Salon:
Aside from its ferocious pursuit of lawsuits against affirmative action, the Center for Individual Rights, where Walpin served as director for many years, has displayed an enduring attraction to academic racism, or at least to its practitioners. That attraction led CIR to represent both Michael Levin, the notorious racist professor at the City University of New York, and Linda Gottfredson, an obscure University of Delaware professor whose negative research on African-Americans has made her a heroine to racial extremists. To finance this kind of litigation, CIR accepted thousands of dollars from the Pioneer Fund, a foundation dedicated to proving that blacks are racially inferior to whites and Asians -- in short, the intellectual equivalent of the KKK.

For that reason and many others, Walpin didn't fit very well within the Obama administration. He served at the pleasure of the president, who may well have taken some pleasure in ousting him -- and need make no apology if he did.

Really?!?!?! You want to defend this guy?

Daredelvis
 
Originally Posted by BeAChooser
That's only your biased, uniformed opinion.

No it's not. a.) Watergate was ligit due to it's connection with the Watergate hotel. The rest are stupid. b.) Which one of the others have been proven?

I gather you don't think any harm was done to national security during Chinagate and CampaignFinancegate? I gather you see no harm in foreigners contributing millions of dollars in illegal contributions to candidates (as long as they are democrats ;)) in our national elections in exchange for access to restricted technology and secrets. I gather you deny that over a hundred people fled the country to avoid questioning in the matter. I gather you deny that numerous people admitted to such illegal contributions and were convicted of doing so. I guess you've never heard of names like John Huang, Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung and James Riady. I gather that you deny that numerous Clinton administration members and democrat party supporters were implicated, under oath, in those illegalities ... despite the control Clinton and the democrats had of the Department of Justice and FBI. And I gather you never heard of the Cox Report and La Bella Memo. :D

I gather you see nothing wrong with the Whitehouse illegally obtaining thousands of raw FBI data files on it's political opponents and illegally loading the contents of those files on DNC computers. This is not myth, Redtail, but established fact. It is also established fact that the person Clinton's corrupt Attorney General picked to supposedly investigate the matter, Kenneth Starr, outright lied when he assured the American public that the files had been returned to the FBI. His successor admitted on TV years later that the files were STILL in Whitehouse hands. :D

I gather you don't find it troubling that well regarded military pathologists said the wound in Ron Brown's head looked suspiciously like a bullet wound and that the WhiteHouse, instead of honestly investigating those concerns, destroyed the careers of those pathologists. In fact, even the pathologist who conducted the examination of Brown's body and ruled it an accidental death (and who was caught on live TV lying about the facts in the case to justify that ruling), now says there should have been an autopsy, that what he saw as a "red flag". I gather you don't find it suspicious that this was the first time in US Air Force history (other than one instance of friendly fire) where the Air Force skipped the phase of the investigation where the cause of the plane crash is determined. I gather you don't find it suspicious that sworn testimony by confidants of Ron Brown indicates that Brown confronted Clinton shortly before his death and told Clinton he was going to turns state's evidence in Chinagate and CampaignFinanceGate. :D

I gather you have no difficulty accepting Starr's claims about the oven mitt in Vince Foster's car (that curiously wasn't there when the police photographed the inside of the car and recorded it's contents) and the bullet hole in the back of Foster's head (that curiously none of the many eyewitnesses at the scene saw). I gather you have no problem with the government refusing to release photos showing the back of Foster's head (which would silence those who say there was foul play) or the fact that Starr's own top investigator, Miquel Rodriquez, quit the investigation, charging that it was coverup and that he himself had seen a photo of Foster that showed a wound in the neck that the government account denied was there. I guess you find nothing suspicious about witnesses who claimed Foster was depressed only saying that after a meeting in the Whitehouse a week after he died, when prior to that they had all vehemently denied he was depressed. I guess you don't find the *suicide note*, that even the government now doesn't want to talk about, suspicious. :D

You know what I think, Redtail? I think your beliefs, if not stupid, show a certain lack of skepticism. :D

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Do you know that the democrat who wrote the articles of impeachment against Nixon went on the record after Clinton's impeachment trial saying that Clinton should have been impeached a second time because of his abuse of the IRS and FBI? In fact, he said what Clinton did there was far worse than what Nixon did.

Do you know who was in control of congress before, during, and after Clinton's impeachment trial? The fact that they didn't jump on that after should tell you something.

I see you want to avoid the facts I noted about the views of the Democrat who wrote the articles of impeachment against Nixon. :D

I see that you don't see the irony in who was controlling the DOJ and FBI at the time all those scandals occurred and were basically ignored. :D

And as to why congress didn't didn't jump on those crimes, perhaps Filegate is the answer. It's all explained here, by the life long democrat, David Schippers, who investigated Clinton's activities for the House Managers: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_1_17/ai_72273372 .

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Do you know that the life long democrat (who voted for Clinton, btw) who investigated the allegations against Clinton during the impeachment for the House Managers completely disagrees with you? He called Clinton's administration a criminal enterprise and said that the country was sold out by the democrats AND republicans in the Senate when they limited the impeachment to accusations about lying under oath concerning a sexual affair. He even said that had the statute of limitations not expired he would have personally charged Clinton with the rape of Juanita Broaddrick and investigated the deaths of Foster and Brown.

Still waiting for where these "gates" were proved there sparky.

Well "sparky", I see you suddenly don't even trust life long democrats who voted for Clinton. :D

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The fact is that each and every time I've tried to debate Chinagate, CampaignFinanceGate, Filegate, FosterGate and BrownGate with liberals on this forum, your side of the aisle has refused to do battle, with but few exceptions (and those folks were been proven wrong concerning "facts" they claimed over and over). And anyone can browse this forum looking for threads on these topics to verify that what I say is absolutely true. Which is why I point this out.

Then why didn't a Republican controlled congress AND a Republican president with a Republican controlled congress bring Billy boy to justice?

I see you aren't challenging my statement about the "facts". Again, your side just refuses to do battle.

As to why Bush and company did nothing about all those crimes after Bush became President, ask yourself why Obama isn't going after Bush, given all the crimes your side claims he committed? Perhaps because Obama doesn't want to hold accomplishing his agenda hostage to the divisiveness that would result if he did? The same logic applied to Bush ... in fact, he told the American public he was going to "move on" even before he was elected. And Obama even has more control of Congress and the support of the mainstream media than Bush did. The mainstream media, as high as they regard their idol Clinton, would have attacked Bush no end had he gone after the "gates". Even so, I think he should have investigated and prosecuted because if he had, we might not have Obama and so many Clinton administration members in power right now. The fact is that I've addressed this complaint of yours many times on this forum in those threads I mentioned. And each and every time your side in the debate has simply ignored what I said or ran. And I see you did one of the two. And anyone who would like to verify that need only find and browse those threads. :D
 
Let's see.

A Democrat (Johnson) receives government money for a nonprofit, and misuses it. An extremely partisan republican IG (Walpin) gets on the case and bombards the local attorney (Brown) with carefully selected evidence.

Walpin is not content and injects himself into the elections campaign, accusing Johnson of criminal wrongdoing.

Brown finds gross negligence but no criminal wrongdoing, and releases a scathing report about Johnson.

The President decides to replace the IG, as is his right and duty.

You sure about that? It's within the presidents power?
Think you might need to doublecheck yourself there.
 
Then why didn't a Republican controlled congress AND a Republican president with a Republican controlled congress bring Billy boy to justice? :D

Because republican lawmakers are gutless for the most part.
 
Let's see.

A Democrat (Johnson) receives government money for a nonprofit, and misuses it. An extremely partisan republican IG (Walpin) gets on the case and bombards the local attorney (Brown) with carefully selected evidence.

Walpin is not content and injects himself into the elections campaign, accusing Johnson of criminal wrongdoing.

Brown finds gross negligence but no criminal wrongdoing, and releases a scathing report about Johnson.

The President decides to replace the IG, as is his right and duty.

Let's see, here are a few facts you failed to mention:

1) Said democrat (Johnson) is a good friend of Obama. He admitted that earlier then denies it later (see the video I linked).

2) Said nonprofit (St. Hope) was getting funding from Americorp, one of Obama's darlings through which he hopes to spread "social justice". Americorp and Acorn are notoriously (and I don't use that word lightly) good friends. In fact, a "Report on the Activities of the Committee on Economic and Educational Opportunities During the 104th Congress," Report 104-875, January 2, 1997, found that, "AmeriCorps members of AHC raised funds for ACORN, performed voter registration activities, and gave partisan speeches. In one instance, an AmeriCorps member was directed by ACORN staff to assist the [Clinton] White House in preparing a press conference in support of legislation." :D

3) Michelle Obama apparently wanted her chief of staff, Jackie Norris, to have more control over Americorp. Walpin stood in the way of that because he was the IG for the Corporation for National and Community Service which oversees AmeriCorp. Norris recently arrived at the Corporation as a "senior advisor".

4) It was the Corporation that in 2008 asked Walpin to investigate reports of irregularities at St. Hope. This was not something Walpin instigated on his own. It was Walpin's investigators who discovered that the money given to Johnson for tutoring Sacramento-area students, the redevelopment of several buildings, and theater and art programs had been used instead to pad staff salaries, meddle politically in a school-board election, and have AmeriCorps members perform personal services for Mr. Johnson, including washing his car. Again, Walpin wasn't alone in finding these irregularities.

5) When Walpin's office recommended Johnson and St Hope be suspended from receiving federal funds, the Corporation agreed. Of course, at that time the Corporation wasn't yet under the control of Obama's friends and supporters.

6) Whether Walpin is a staunch conservative is beside the point. He investigated (as was his job) allegations of misconduct and indeed found crime that apparently the Obama administration wanted to sweep under the rug. Simple as that.

7) City Attorney Brown, who you say found no "criminal" wrongdoing, was under considerable pressure not to file any criminal complaint against Johnson since Mr Johnson is the mayor and the city was under threat of loosing stimulus funds (Obama's darling) due to Johnson's suspension.

8) Mr Brown cut off contact with Mr Walpin's office and started working directly with the Corporation, whose board was now chaired by one of Obama's top fundraisers. They worked out a deal where Johnson and St Hope would only have to repay half of the grant money Johnson stole and where Johnson would be cleared allowing him to once again manage federal funds. But I ask you, Merko, why would Johnson have to repay anything if he did nothing illegal? Obviously, Brown's claim is specious.

9) Mr Walpin at this point objected to the deal, going so far at to submit a report, signed by two other senior members of his office, to Congress. Whereupon, he got a phone call from Norman Eisen, the Special Counsel to the President for Ethics and Government Reform, telling him to resign within an hour or be fired.

10) The President may have the right to fire an IG, but according to a law that Obama himself co-sponsored, he has to show cause. Saying it it time to "move on" (which is what Eisen originally told Walpin was the reason) is not sufficient cause. Citing "loss of confidence" is not sufficient cause. Claiming that Walpin's charges had no merit, when Johnson is having to repay half the funding that he clearly stole, is not sufficient cause. And the newest claim, that Walpin is senile when obviously he is not ... see the interviews he's done on TV and with reporters like Byron which I linked, is also not sufficient cause.

11) Also, the President is required by that same law he co-sponsored to give an IG 30 days notice under the law. Obviously, he did not. In fact, Obama violated the law in trying to pressure Walpin into resigning in the manner he did.

12) You also forgot to mention that Chuck Grassley, another co-sponsor of the IG Reform Act, is demanding the Corporation hand over it's communications on this matter. He also wants to see any contact they've had with Michelle Obama. And the Corporation and the White House are refusing to supply either. What are they hiding? :D

You know what I think? This sounds like Travelgate. But worse.

Here's another video on the matter that explains the issue and shows the lies by the Obama administration, Brown and Mr Johnson in this matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0-T...ald-walpin-situation/&feature=player_embedded

And you might interested in this:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...Obama-over-AmeriCorps-IG-firing-48196202.html

Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill has become the first Democrat to question the White House over the firing of AmeriCorps inspector general Gerald Walpin. McCaskill, who, like Republican Sen. Charles Grassley, is a champion of inspectors general, co-wrote the 2008 legislation requiring the president to give 30 days' notice, and cause, before firing an inspector general. In a statement released this afternoon, McCaskill says that the reason the president gave for firing Walpin -- that the president no longer has "the fullest confidence" in Walpin -- is, in McCaskill's words, "not sufficient."

McCaskill goes on to say that Obama's administration failed to follow the proper procedures, which is a nice way of saying they broke the law that Obama himself co-sponsored. Does the law not apply to Obama? Can we rely on Obama's Attorney General to investigate this? Or will his Attorney General, like Clinton's, simply ignore the crimes of a democrat administration? :D
 

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