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Hello JREF Forum Members
My name is Anita Ikonen and I am in the process of arranging with the IIG in Hollywood to test what seems to be either true extrasensory perception or the case of something similar to synesthesia which leads me to obtain accurate information that is normally out of reach of ordinary perception. I would like the opportunity to discuss my ability and the test of it with critical thinkers, science-minded persons, open-minded persons, or anyone else who is curious about this or has any comments that they would like to share with me.

Unlike many who are under the impression that they have a psychic ability, I am very willing to discuss this openly and to subject my ability to scrutiny. There is no trick to it and I have nothing to hide. I am a science-student and interested in finding out the true nature of my ability. I believe that there are elements of the paranormal that can be brought into science once properly understood and established.

You can find my webpage if you search the web on my user name. On it I describe my ability and the information that I receive through it, as well as the test I am having with the IIG. I thought I would discuss this here since it would probably attract a lot of attention anyway as I have the test later on. I look forward to hearing from you.
 
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[FONT=tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]In my vision, nitrogen is neon green, phosphorus deep blue, potassium light blue, hydrogen red
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This is trivial to test. Put a few elements that have different colors to you in opaque containers, and you have to identify what is in each container. This is a test that could be run in 10-15 minutes.
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Do you have to touch chemicals to tell what the molecules are?

Can you go to a Baskins Robbins, put on a blindfold and tell what each flavor ice-cream is from just touching it? If you can do this in front of a newspaper reporter who writes an article about a successful result in a reputable paper I bet you would pass the having a public presence hurdle.

You say you can hear and see through other's eyes and ears. Can you walk into a room of twenty people in which only one person is color blind and pick that person out? Can you pick a deaf person out of a room full of people with no visual clues?

You say you have had success with telepathy giving friends images. That's an easy one to test. If your friend is in another room can you successfully give them images telepathically you are given by a third party?

If you can demonstrate any of these abilities to reputable witnesses who would publish your success I think you would qualify for the JREF test. Personally I'm pretty skeptical you could pass a well designed test that would eliminate any information outside of just what you say is needed to gain chemical knowledge or whatever mumbo-jumbo atomic vibrations you can translate. I'm much less skeptical you believe you could pass a test.

I hope you get a chance to be tested. You seem sincere and we all enjoy a sincere person putting their special abilities to the test. We're pretty tired of people who make bold statements about special abilities but always dodge being directly tested.
 
The point is why would you need to test this? If you have the ability... to see without vision... by feel...I mean just do it all the time

Like go in a totally dark room and touch something and read it. It's kinda like, why a test? If it's real, then it would be good for you to work with doctors to see if this ability can be used to help the blind.

I'm thinking a real ability in this would be so obvious and work under all conditions...that testing would be not needed at all.

Do you really think it's you are psychic or is this something that you think you could have studied by physicians to figure out what is causing this....and then help blind people.
 
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You say you can hear and see through other's eyes and ears. Can you walk into a room of twenty people in which only one person is color blind and pick that person out? Can you pick a deaf person out of a room full of people with no visual clues?
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There's a far easier way to test that. Have the person open a book at a random page. Visionfromfeeling should be able to rattle off whatever is on the page. It'd be trivial to get media exposure if you could do that. Trivial.

I note the standard "I don't really want the million" argument on the linked site, along with concern with Randi's retiring in comfort. Pass the test, donate the money to Randi. Or give it to starving children. Or Aids research. You have the opportunity to change the world, if your claims are true. All that is stopping you is actually testing your claims.
 
I have not had a scientific test of my ability yet since that is something that needs to be arranged with an impartial and credible party. It is only recently that I have found the courage to share this openly. I have my professional reputation to consider and in addition some people might react the wrong way.

I am always curious to check my information against the facts. Every time I sense something with this ability about another person, if the situation allows I tell the person what I saw and simply ask them whether it was true or not. I never use dialogue or interaction with a person to obtain the information. So far my accuracy on health information has been excellent. This is the only way in which I have been able to check my information on health so far.

In terms of the other forms of information I obtain besides health, I am always curious to check my conclusions against known facts, by looking it up in a book or on the internet. All on my own and independently by using this ability I have obtained information about chemistry, materials, plants, animals, bacteria, foods and medicines that I did not know prior and that could not have been guessed to such detail. What compels me is also that I am so certain of the information when I perceive it. I do not have a single example of when I would have been incorrect.

I am very interested in having a test done by an impartial party and that is something I am working on right now.

Being a Chemistry major I would have access to chemical elements and other compounds for a test on chemical identification, however I am reluctant to involve my university in this in case they want no involvement in things of this nature.
 
Anita --

Welcome to the forums. In reading through your "How it Works" section, you present the ability as being similar to how we might use a gas chromatograph -- you can "sense" a reference sample, learn the synesthesia associated with it, and then when you later encounter that same synesthesia, you know you're encountering the same material. This is a laudably clear description of how you claim your ability works, so that's a good start.

However, in explaining how you sense health conditions in people, the mechanism is less clear. You describe how people produce signature scents that indicate health states, but don't discuss how you know that a given scent correlates with a given health condition. Have you identified reference people diagnosed with the stated health conditions, then sensed them, then gone on to test this on other people? If so, how did you case control this to deconvolute multiple signals (e.g. a person with atherosclerosis and an unrelated prostate condition would be expected to have a mixed "disease scent")?

Regardless of the answers to those questions, your baseline synthesthetic material sense should be immediately and fairly rigorously testable with the help of a friend. The suggestion of putting materials in closed containers (Roger's test, above) is a great start. I strongly recommend doing this kind of test with the help of a friend before putting too much effort into any other testing.
 
Senex:

I apologize for the confusion. What I refer to by "vision from feeling" does not involve direct touch with my hands or skin. I feel vibration patterns from a distance, transmitted across the space between myself and the objects that I am sensing. I never touch the things that I am obtaining information about. It is a form of "feeling" similar to when we feel temperature for instance. Not feeling by touch.

I never touch the chemicals to know what the molecules are, and in most cases when I obtain information about chemistry it involves molecules that are invisible to the eye, do not show any visible sign of their presence, and are impossible to detect by touching with hands or by using any of the other normal human senses of perception.

It seems that I need to look at the objects that I am viewing, even if only for a quick glance, possibly in order to know where their location is. Note however that most of the information I obtain is not derived from what I saw by looking at the objects in question. The information is most often too small, or hidden behind or beneath something that obscures it from view, as well as having no externally detectable signals.

In terms of the ice-cream test, let me begin by telling you about a fun game I like to do. A friend will be eating ice-cream and I only look at part of his body and do not see his face. He takes a scoop of ice-cream, and based on how I feel the taste and texture that he experiences, I tell him whether there was just plain ice-cream, ice-cream with pineapple, or with chokolate, or no ice-cream at all on his spoon. If I try to close my eyes or turn away completely so that I can not see the person at all I become unable to do this. I do not think I could do any kind of test on my ability without looking at the subject at least partially, possibly to know where it is and to locate the source of the information.

I would definitely want to try a test in detecting which out of a group of people is color blind or deaf. Unfortunately I do not detect each case in which an ailment occurs, so I might or might not detect it. However if I do detect it I will say so, and then that could be checked for accuracy. This limitation of my ability, in my opinion, does not discredit a possible ability. Its accuracy is good, even though it does not detect something everytime when it is considered that there is something to be detected since each case occurs to a different extent.

I have not tried telepathy with the person in another room. I expect that true telepathy would be more difficult with increasing distance, and, again, I would not be seeing the person and it seems that I need to see the objects in order to use my ability. I can definitely try this out and see whether I can develop this ability further to reach this kind of standard, however I am not interested in testing my ability on telepathy unless strongly insisted by others.

Atomic and molecular vibrational patterns may be the very same thing as what quantum physics describes as wave functions. These vibrational patterns are detectable by many scientific instruments, including the spectrometer, and offer a means of identification of the chemical species, composition, and structure.

On the contrary I do not believe for or against actually passing a test. I am merely curious to find out. As I've said, I would not take it personally if I fail a test. I am more concerned with truth than deception and have no personal preference for having either synesthesia or actual verifiable extrasensory perception. In either case, it is a tremendous source of inspiration and ideas that I will definitely benefit from as a scientist.

Thank you for your comments Senex, they are quite good.
 
Welcome to the forums. I feel I must point out that what you've described is akin to claiming to be able to make yourself invisible, but only as long as nobody looks at you. However, I'm interested in the protocol that the IIG came up with. If you could post it here that would be grand.
 
Sounds like an ability I often wished for during grad studies. It would have been far easier to identify a compound by looking at it than by running an NMR.

At any rate, if you're a chemistry student at a college or university, it should be possible for you to find a graduate student who can get a hold of some simple compounds- sodium chloride, potassium nitrate, calcium chloride, etc. If you can't get a graduate student, an undergraduate with a bit of know-how and creativity can make them from common household stuff (and see below). You don't need to involve the university.

Have another person prepare solutions of these compounds dissolved in water. All of them will be colourless. Seal them in vials, and see if you can tell them apart.

Compounds:

Sodium chloride. Common table salt. Recrystallize it once to get rid of sodium iodide and other impurities.

Sodium bicarbonate. Baking soda. Quite pure as sold.

Calcium chloride. Generally sold as sidewalk de-icer. Failing that, dissolve some chalk or eggshells in hydrochloric acid.

Alum is available in some stores, and is potassium aluminum sulphate.

White vinegar is a solution of acetic acid, and is pure as sold.

That will give you five solutions containing (mostly) different elements. All colourless solutions. Have your assistant prepare 8 vials (one of each, plus one of three of the others, to be determined randomly, while you're not watching). Have the vials numebred from 1 to 8, and have your assistant leave the room while you're indentifying them.

If you see different auras around them (and can see the same aura around the same vial reproducibly enough that you can identify a solution by its aura alone), you've got something worth investigating.
 
kittynh:

I do not use touch with hands or skin, the "feeling" I refer to is a subtle one without actual physical contact between me and the objects.

The main reason why I want to test this ability is to try to find out what it is. I am very curious about it myself. I am not looking to verify this so that I could start to use it publicly. I am quite humble to the fact that many things that seem real, are not what they seem, so I do not claim to actually have this ability even though it seems so. I am also interested in sharing this with the world, since it is quite fascinating if I say so myself.

I do not need to test the ability, or even pass a test, to use it. I will always have and use this ability. Whether I pass a test or not, I can not allow the information I find to be taken seriously before it is verified by other means, especially in the case of health information because of principles as well as just in case I would be wrong and it would have consequences.

I can not use my ability in a dark room. It seems that I need to look at the objects in question, probably to locate where they are.

On the contrary, if my ability is real in the ways that I experience it, it wouldn't necessarily be absolutely obvious in every way and it definitely does not work under all conditions. And even if my ability did work under all conditions, I would still consider that a test would be necessary to find out what it is.

I don't know whether I am really psychic, or whether this is synesthesia, but I think I could find out soon by having some of the tests on it. Are you suggesting that we find a way to give this ability to blind people? I don't know whether we can, someone else will have to answer that.
 
Okay, so you look at something and feel a sensation while at the same time seeing a color, more or less? That sounds exactly like synesthesia. Very mundane.
 
roger:
Alright guys, I do appreciate the suggestions but some of these things I have never specificly claimed to be capable of. What I refer to when I say I can see through people's eyes is that I can detect whether their vision is blurry, if there are permanent things in their field of vision, or other health problems related to their eyesight. I have never experienced reading through a person's eyes. I should clarify this on the webpage.

I would love to have a test with the JREF but their application process is more complicated with more prerequisites on the applicants than with the IIG with whom I am now arranging to have a test. Also, the JREF has announced that they are closing their paranormal challenge. I am a busy college student and prefer not to be rushed with my paranormal test. Money does not determine how I test my ability or how I use it.

UncaYimmy:
Sometimes I sense things in photos, but not to the great detail as I do in real life and I would prefer not to have a test based on photographies.

It seems that I need to see where the object is in order to locate the source of the information. Most of the time I only take a quick glance to "download the information" and then look away to concentrate on the information and analyze it further in my thoughts. I would be less successful if the object was behind a screen or a door such that I could not see its outline or exact placement. I have tested myself on identifying materials that are concealed in non-opaque containers, but it can take me longer and it is harder to obtain the information.

I do however obtain information through materials. The air of course is a material, as are see-through glass or plastic containers. The information I reach in the human body is perceived through a layer of clothes, skin, and other tissues. Perhaps this is possible since the covering materials are connected, associated to, the object in question.
 
sanguine:

The information is always clear to me in terms of the shape, structure, composition, feeling and other aspects of it that I perceive with this ability. I then need to find the matching words to describe to others what I am seeing.

There is no obvious way to relate the information from literature about chemical elements or molecules to what it is I am observing, so in terms of chemical identification I need to experience a known reference to learn how to identify the name of the atoms or molecules I am seeing.

However in terms of health information, I can describe the details of what I see and from there deduce what the illness is. I do not require any reference to describe health information. The knowledge I have of human anatomy, biology, chemistry and medicine is often adequate so that I know the name of what I am seeing, and in other cases I can describe the details of it.

The ability to sense what I call the “invisible scent” of humans is just another example of what I do, and unless the information itself is scent, I never use the scent-aspect of information as a clue to deduce what I am observing. Scent and taste are the minor aspects of my perception with this ability and are not experienced as frequently. Visual information is the most frequent, as well as sensing the texture, weight, temperature and other information that relates to the feeling-aspect of the information.

My ability works the best on detecting health information, which is why this is what I want to test my ability on, and not chemical identification. The information of the human body is much stronger and easier for me to detect than any non-living materials.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops. Interesting. I hope you will enjoy the forums, welcome!

Btw. are you Finnish?
 
JWideman:
You would have to explain how this is similar to claiming to be invisible when no one is looking before I can comment on that. I am preparing for a test on identifying health conditions in people, conditions that can not be detected by normal human senses. The test will be recorded and witnessed by persons who are involved with the test. I will post the preliminary test protocol on my webpage soon.

The thing is, my synesthesia - if it is that - leads to accurate information and conclusions that can not be acchieved by ordinary senses or even by ordinary synesthesia, which is why this is worth investigating.

Madalch:
Good to have a chemist taking part in the discussion. I've actually used my ability to aid me in identification exercises at college. During a human anatomy lab exam we had to identify human tissue samples under a microscope based on the appearance of them. There was one that I just couldn't figure out, so I decided to use my ability to feel into the tissue rather than just guessing. The exact tissue structure, the spacing between the individual components that make the tissue, as well as the compounds that make it, all add up to a complete vibrational structure that I sense. From having not had a clue from just looking at it and trying to remember the tissue photographs in the textbook, I immediately knew what it was and was absolutely certain that it was testicular tissue. And it was.

I also used my ability to help me in the chemical identification exercise in a chemistry lab. We were given four unknown compounds that we had to identify through various chemical testing, melting point, IR and NMR spectra. By looking into the molecules, I could for instance clearly see biphenyl, and the nitrogen that was involved in two of the others was clearly detectable and a helpful clue. I have a great advantage. Of course I would not use this ability as a working professional to make final conclusions, especially if working in the medical field involving patients. But when all that is left to do is guess, I will guess with this ability and increase my chances.

Thank you for your suggestions on a chemical test. I will try to arrange it when I find the time. I will still have the test with the IIG done on identifying health conditions since I obtain such information more easily since that information has a stronger vibrational aspect to it.
 
Thanks for responding to my questions about photos and sensing through materials. If in fact you are detecting electromagnetic radiation and/or other vibrations, then that would put photos out of the picture (pardon the pun). Likewise, "reading" someone in the dark or through something like a door should be just as as easy as in the light.

It's a good idea to thoroughly test yourself before engaging in a challenge. For example, if you were to sit in the stall in a public bathroom could you read each person who took the stall next to yours? You'd know exactly where they were in relation to you, so you should be able to get a reading. This would help answer the question of whether you actually need to see the person.
 
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