Vatican to excommunicate women priests

The Church says it cannot change the rules banning women from the priesthood because Christ chose only men as his apostles. Church law states that only a baptized male can be made a priest.
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Christ also chose men from the Middle East to be His apostles, surely choosing North Americans to be priests goes against Christ's intentions. Excommunicate the Americans!
 
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Pardalis said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2986418520080529

You got to give it to them, when women are concerned the clergy is really quick to act.

I guess women are considered a bigger threat to the Church than child molesters.
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I think that the women aren't the only ones getting sanction here. As I understand RCC rules, any Bishop who participated in the ordination will be excommunicated. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latae_sententiae
Officially, a latæ sententiæ penalty follows automatically, by force of the law itself, when the law is contravened. A latæ sententiæ penalty may be either one of excommunication, interdict, or suspension.

Various other persons incur excommunication latae sententiae by papal decree, including:

a woman who simulates ordination as a priest or a bishop who simulates the ordination of a woman as a priest
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Ladewig said:
Christ also chose men from the Middle East to be His apostles, surely choosing North Americans to be priests goes against Christ's intentions. Excommunicate the Americans!
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That isn't specified in the Code of Canon Law. Priests being male is. These penalties are being levied under the rubric of Canon Law, FWIW.
 
Pardalis said:
So it's women and their enablers who are the danger. It just adds another level of stupidity.

Fight the vagina Church! Don't let them get away!
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What's with the outrage? The RCC have had this rule for about a thousand years, maybe two thousand years. It may be a rule I think hidebound, but it is a rule nonetheless.

I think the stroke and distance rule for a shot out of bounds is silly in golf, but I comply with it anyway, as it's one of the rules of the game.

If they are going to have this rule, then they have to enforce it, or change it, or take it off the books. They chose to enforce it.

BFD

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
What's with the outrage? The RCC have had this rule for about a thousand years, maybe two thousand years. It may be a rule I think hidebound, but it is a rule nonetheless.
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Do they have rules against child molesters?

The outrage is that the eyes of the world are turned on the Vatican, waiting for them to do something about the criminal priests and the people who allowed it to happen, and instead they do this?

Is this a bad joke?
 
**** the RCC.

Women priests must be excommunicated....but pedophile priests are ok????

Unbelievable.
 
Instead of enforcing antiquated rules from the illiterate Middle East of 2000 years ago, maybe they should enforce the modern rules of law of the 21st century, where women are equal to men, and criminals should pay for their crimes.
 
Pardalis said:
Do they have rules against child molesters?

The outrage is that the eyes of the world are turned on the Vatican, waiting for them to do something about the criminal priests and the people who allowed it to happen, and instead they do this?

Is this a bad joke?
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I am not sure that your 'instead' is correct, as this is a case of picking off some low hanging fruit. It costs the Vatican nothing to enforce this rule.

What they are doing about the child abuse thing does not go on hold, whatever it is, or isn't, just because this particular item got press attention. IMO, the child abuse problem is more serious by orders of magnitude, as is the institutional myopia and dishonesty that led to the current smell coming from the Vatican. That doesn't mean you stop dealing with all else.

For example, I can be cutting the grass, slap at a mosquito to kill it, and keep cutting the grass. I will be cutting the grass for a while, but I didn't kill the mosquito instead of cutting the grass.

You see how that works?

This "problem" was easily addressed. It appears that for the Vatican, the other problem isn't as easily addressed. That itself is another problem ...

DR
 
Thunder said:
**** the RCC.

Women priests must be excommunicated....but pedophile priests are ok????
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While that isn't how the rules are written (both are wrong according to the official line) that is the appearance the reactions the Vatican have taken leave.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
What's with the outrage? The RCC have had this rule for about a thousand years, maybe two thousand years. It may be a rule I think hidebound, but it is a rule nonetheless.

I think the stroke and distance rule for a shot out of bounds is silly in golf, but I comply with it anyway, as it's one of the rules of the game.

If they are going to have this rule, then they have to enforce it, or change it, or take it off the books. They chose to enforce it.

BFD

DR
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The outrage is that they choose to enforce is rather than change or ignore it.

It's a stupid rule that makes them look like sexist dinosaurs.
 
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KingMerv00 said:
The outrage is that they choose to enforce is rather than change or ignore it.
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I get the outrage over pedophilia, and the utter failure in handling that.

I don't get the outrage over this. You don't like that rule? Don't be part of that church. Simple. This takes no skin off of anyone's arse. Any of the women who went through these non-sanctioned ordinations knew good and well that what they were doing was against the policy of their church. Likewise the bishops involved. Head on over to the Episcopalians, they welcome women into the clergy. They are pretty close to the Catholics in habits anyway.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
I get the outrage over pedophilia, and the utter failure in handling that.

I don't get the outrage over this. You don't like that rule? Don't be part of that church. Simple. This takes no skin off of anyone's arse. Any of the women who went through these non-sanctioned ordinations knew good and well that what they were doing was against the policy of their church. Likewise the bishops involved. Head on over to the Episcopalians, they welcome women into the clergy. They are pretty close to the Catholics in habits anyway.

DR
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I don't understand the "love it or leave it" mentality. If you truly love your social group, shouldn't you strive to perfect it?

Are there bits of America you don't like? Well move to a different country.
 
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KingMerv00 said:
I don't understand the "love it or leave it" mentalit. If you truly love your social group, shouldn't you strive to perfect it?
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I note a change of subject. You also are not part of that social group. Neither is Pardalis. So again, why the outrage? These folks paid their money, they took their chances, and got a sanction that is actually quite minor. If you go to the thread in religion, you will see the story about the nun who got excommunicated over the abortion at the hospital. That form of excommunicaiton is normally remedied, if the person so chooses, by confession and reoconcilliation within the church.

Now, if the bishops or ladies do not wish to accept that tenet of Canon law, their choice is to remain in the church, but out of communion, or tell the Pope to piss off, as Martin Luther did, and meet their spiritual needs elsewhere.
Are there bits of America you don't like? Well move to a different country.
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No. I'll try to change what I can, and deal with the imperfections that I can't.

No drama required.

DR
 
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I note a change of subject. You also are not part of that social group. Neither is Pardalis. So again, why the outrage?
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Because I am outraged by sexism whether it is part of my social group or not. I don't see why I have to be part of a group to criticize it.

No. I'll try to change what I can, and deal with the imperfections that I can't.

No drama required.

DR
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Isn't that exactly what they are doing?
 
KingMerv00 said:
Because I am outraged by sexism whether it is part of my social group or not.
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What an innovative position to take. :rolleyes:
Isn't that exactly what they are doing?
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No. While change is difficult in the RCC, and slow, it can happen. See Vatican II. Change, small if you wish to see it as small, happened. There was some movement toward letting the clergy marry, but it seemed to peter out when Pope changed shortly thereafter.

There are clearly codified rules for how to receive ordination in the RCC. Having the XY chromosome (and much else) is among them. Otherwise, you can't be ordained. If that bothers you as much as you say, you have made a good choice NOT to be a member in the RCC. So, change the rule, make ladies priests, and the ordination is all good and above board. Not easy, no.

Let me put this another way: if the American Bar association requires that you pass the bar exam in order to practice law, or represent yourself as a lawyer in State X, you get penalized if you try to practice law there, representing yourself as a lawyer, for not following the rules of That Profession in that state.

See this case, for example: http://www.texasmonthly.com/preview/2010-05-01/letterfromcorpuschristi

Mauricio Celis.

He may go to prison for falsely representing himself as a lawyer. (And other stuff not germane to this analogy).

The bishops and ladies were involved in a similar fraud. These ladies and the bishops who ordained them suffer far less punishment for falsely presenting themselves as certified members of that profession.

Not going to prison, for one.

As before, the RCC loses parishoners right, left, and center for a variety of reasons, policies like this among them. When they lose them, it hits them in the wallet. They will probably lose a few more over this, though I expect a lot of people in the RCC would be wondering why they got involved in fraud in the first place.

DR
 
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