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Vatican says Potter OK

As much as the Catholic Church is ragged on here by all of us, I've got to give it some credit. Did you know that evolution (without alterations or "it's only a theory" disclaimers) is taught in Catholic schools these days?

While the Catholic Church has made numerous mistakes in the past, we've got to acknowledge that they're (slowly) owning up to them. Of all the Christian sects I've had the privilege of encountering, Catholicism tends to be the most reasonable.
 
Joshua Korosi said:
As much as the Catholic Church is ragged on here by all of us, I've got to give it some credit. Did you know that evolution (without alterations or "it's only a theory" disclaimers) is taught in Catholic schools these days?

While the Catholic Church has made numerous mistakes in the past, we've got to acknowledge that they're (slowly) owning up to them. Of all the Christian sects I've had the privilege of encountering, Catholicism tends to be the most reasonable.
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I guess "reasonable" is relative...like women priests and married priests, and making saints out of Popes who tacitly supported Hitler...:rolleyes:

Not really trying to start something here, as your point is well taken, but "reasonable" and "Roman Catholic" have not long been associated with each other, at least not historically.
 
headscratcher4 said:


I guess "reasonable" is relative...like women priests and married priests, and making saints out of Popes who tacitly supported Hitler...:rolleyes:

Not really trying to start something here, as your point is well taken, but "reasonable" and "Roman Catholic" have not long been associated with each other, at least not historically.
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Of course, I meant compared with other sects. While one could say the Lutherans' (for example) allowing women to become priests and priests to marry is more reasonable than Catholicism, Lutherans (in my personal experience) tend to reject evolution and other scientific findings whose biblical compatability may be dubious wholesale, which more than overshadows any such (chiefly) cosmetic concessions.

If we're talking reasonable compared to anything else, you are quite correct.
 
Joshua Korosi said:
As much as the Catholic Church is ragged on here by all of us, I've got to give it some credit. Did you know that evolution (without alterations or "it's only a theory" disclaimers) is taught in Catholic schools these days?

While the Catholic Church has made numerous mistakes in the past, we've got to acknowledge that they're (slowly) owning up to them. Of all the Christian sects I've had the privilege of encountering, Catholicism tends to be the most reasonable.
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I have mixed feelings about Catholicism. On one hand, I went to Catholic school for kindergarten through first grade, and hated it so much I managed to get kicked out by convincing my teachers that I was Jewish. On the other hand, most of the Catholics I know are pretty reasonable, except for the one "good Catholic" who is a brainwashed mess worse than Jedi Knight.
 
The sad thing is, that for some people, this would just be the icing on the cake.
Catholic church = whore of babylon. Therefore if the pope says it's good, it MUST be bad.
Potter can't win.
FF
 
Hello there; reading your opinions about catholics, I have to say that this church is a very plural entity.
In theory, all catholic orders follow pope's autorithy and dogmas. But most of the doctrine is not dogmatic, it's just recomended.
Here in spain we have a lot of diferent orders who can be as different as catholics from protestants!

I was un-educated under agustinos order (followers of Saint Thomas Aquino). They very soft on dogmas, and very open in paranormal stuff. I had teachers who supported marriage for homosexuals, and for priests, and even questioned the bible happily. One teacher wrote a book about UFOS, and one of these schools in south america financed a Kirlian photography study :D

The most succesful order now is the Opus Dei. This a conservative branch of the church, with hundreds of thousands of followers. They own a few campus in spain. You can see teachers there talking about creationism and how languages come from babel tower... It makes me sick, it's dificult to think of spain as part of Europe with this kind of prehistoric people...

In the extreme of the range, we have dark and hidden organizations as the "Lumen Dei", based in the mystic teachings of San Ignacio de Loyola. If I remenber well Loyola was cheerised because of massive infidels killing (muslims), although maybe I am confusings saints.
This people likes to use auto-punishment, like the Opus Dei, but a bit more on the "heavy" side. Sleepin in the cold floor for days, isolating young people from their family, etc...

As you see, a funny bunch :)
I think some of them would happily burn Harry Potter in person :D
 
Joshua Korosi said:
Lutherans (in my personal experience) tend to reject evolution and other scientific findings whose biblical compatability may be dubious wholesale, which more than overshadows any such (chiefly) cosmetic concessions.
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I'd say that depends on where you are. I was a Lutheran when I was a believer (and actually, I'm still officially a member of the church since I haven't bothered to walk to the church office to renounce the membership). I was quite active in the congregation for several years (5 to be exact) and I didn't meet a single creationist during that time. Oh, I have to take the last sentence back. I did actually meet two creationists, but they were Jehova's Witnesses who wanted to sell me the "Blue book".

Here in Finland creationism is a fringe belief and most creationists belong to small sects that usually end up separating from the Lutheran church because of theological disputes.
 
Joshua Korosi said:
As much as the Catholic Church is ragged on here by all of us, I've got to give it some credit. Did you know that evolution (without alterations or "it's only a theory" disclaimers) is taught in Catholic schools these days?

While the Catholic Church has made numerous mistakes in the past, we've got to acknowledge that they're (slowly) owning up to them. Of all the Christian sects I've had the privilege of encountering, Catholicism tends to be the most reasonable.
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And we are supposed to believe there is some motive here, other than the desire to continue the
existence of the Catholic Church as political force?

It's whatever keeps the coffers full, or in this case, keeps them from running dry.
 
Joshua Korosi said:
As much as the Catholic Church is ragged on here by all of us, I've got to give it some credit. Did you know that evolution (without alterations or "it's only a theory" disclaimers) is taught in Catholic schools these days?

While the Catholic Church has made numerous mistakes in the past, we've got to acknowledge that they're (slowly) owning up to them. Of all the Christian sects I've had the privilege of encountering, Catholicism tends to be the most reasonable.
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I have to agree with headscratcher4 and say that catholicism is reasonable compared to fundamentalist bible-thumpers, but not so reasonable compared to other denominations.

Here in Canada, the Anglican church (I believe it is called 'Episcopal' in the US) is sort of "Catholic Lite". Very similar teachings and beliefs, but with married and women priests, no lectures on birth control or sex before marriage, etc. Sort of where I would expect the Catholic church to be in 100 years.

At the other end of the spectrum is the United church, which is the most "liberal" of the major Christian denominations in Canada. I believe that certain United churches perform homosexual marriages, for example.

I was raised Catholic, and went to Catholic schools until I completed my undergraduate degree, and as far as education is concerned, I never thought that Catholicism was being crammed at me. We were taught evolution, and about different world faiths. The most important thing that we were taught on the religion/morality side was to have an informed conscience and make your own decisions. Pretty good advice.

So, I am glad that the Vatican is taking the time to say what should be blindingly obvious to everyone, but for some reason isn't.

(Sorry for the rambling, only partially on point post)
 
Diogenes:
And we are supposed to believe there is some motive here, other than the desire to continue the
existence of the Catholic Church as political force?

It's whatever keeps the coffers full, or in this case, keeps them from running dry.
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What exactly is your problem with the Catholic Church, A-Theist?

Specifically?

If A-Theism is so great, and Catholicism is so horrible, then how do you account for the fact that there are soooo many Catholics, and so few A-Theists? Maybe you are just nuts (or is that NOT a possibility)?

Catholicism is certainly a more optimistic religion then the pure and utter pessimism of A-Theism. Maybe that's your religions real problem? It certainly seems to be yours.
 
Thanz said:

So, I am glad that the Vatican is taking the time to say what should be blindingly obvious to everyone, but for some reason isn't.

(Sorry for the rambling, only partially on point post)
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Sounds sort of like a disclaimer before an episode of " Unsolved Mysteries "...


O.K., We now know the Earth circles the sun and is considerably older than 6,000 years.. Sorry about all the people
we tortured and killed, with regard to that.

Meanwhile, we are still looking into trans-substantiation, other miracles and the evidence for
the existance of God in general.

Meanwhile, keep lighting those candles, saying those prayers and drop something in the box on your way out.
You would not believe the dry cleaning bill at the Vatican...
 
Sounds sort of like a disclaimer before an episode of " Unsolved Mysteries "...


O.K., We now know the You are made of Atoms, and Atoms obey the laws of Physics.. Sorry about all the people we tortured and killed, with regard to that. Well, okay, since A-Theists don’t believe in consequences for their actions, we (the A-Theists) aren’t really sorry … but just take our word for it that we are sorry anyway.

Meanwhile, we are still looking into Universes magically popping out of the void, other miracles and the evidence for the existence of “matter” in general.

Meanwhile, keep lighting those candles, saying those prayers and drop something in the box on your way out.
You would not believe the dry cleaning bill the Seti Institute, and I’m not even going to mention the Nobel committee, or the $10 Billion you pissed away on the Higg’s boson, . ...
 
Joshua Korosi said:
As much as the Catholic Church is ragged on here by all of us, I've got to give it some credit. Did you know that evolution (without alterations or "it's only a theory" disclaimers) is taught in Catholic schools these days?
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