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USS Liberty a cover-up?

petra10

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There has been a few tv programmes on about the six day war.Its the 40th aniversary.I knew about the liberty ship being hit by what was supposed to be by accident but this programme really made good points that the Israel knew that she was an American ship.Their main point being they wanted to draw America into the war by making them think the Egyptians were responsible.Just wondered what Americans think, was this a cover-up?
 
If they wanted the Americans to think it was an attack by Egyptians, they probably should have:

A) Done it before they destroyed the entire Egyptian air force
B) Attacked the ship with aircraft carrying Egyptian markings, not Israeli
C) Told the torpedo boat crews not to fly the Israeli flag

I mean... the Liberty was an intelligence ship... it's not like it won't notice those sorts of things.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
If they wanted the Americans to think it was an attack by Egyptians, they probably should have:

A) Done it before they destroyed the entire Egyptian air force
B) Attacked the ship with aircraft carrying Egyptian markings, not Israeli
C) Told the torpedo boat crews not to fly the Israeli flag

I mean... the Liberty was an intelligence ship... it's not like it won't notice those sorts of things.

-Gumboot
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Further, as her captain stated, the Liberty mistakenly opened fire on the torpedo boats while they were attempting to communicate by blinker--one machine gunner didn't get the "hold fire" order, and another machine gun's ammunition "cooked off" because of its proximity to a large fire. Therefore, the torpedo boats' actions cannot be used as any evidence whatsoever of a conspiracy.
 
There was vidoe footage of the captain at a memorial service for the 30th aniversary.In it he spoke of wanting answers,there were lots of surviving crew members who wanted answers mainly why no one came to their aid.There was an aircraft carrier nearby.They also told how they all were giving medals and told not to talk about it.The only Israeli crew member to talk was a guy from a torpedo boat who said they knew it was an American ship
 
please provide a source for this israeli crew member.

is it not possible that the Liberty was spying on Israel, and Israel decided to send a message?

there really was no good reason for an American intelligence ship to be off the coast of Egypt during this war. I smell an Israeli AND and American cover up. Perhaps they were both in the wrong, and decided to mutually let it go.
 
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petra10 said:
The only Israeli crew member to talk was a guy from a torpedo boat who said they knew it was an American ship
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Yes of course he knew it was an American ship. The Torpedo boats were sent there specifically to offer assistance after one of the pilots realised it was a US ship.

The torpedo boats only fired at the ship after the Americans fired at them first (see above).

The carrier was not nearby, the Phantoms launched could not have reached the ship in time, and because they were launched with nuclear weapons on board the act of launching them very nearly caused nuclear war.

-Gumboot
 
parky76 said:
please provide a source for this israeli crew member.

is it not possible that the Liberty was spying on Israel, and Israel decided to send a message?

there really was no good reason for an American intelligence ship to be off the coast of Egypt during this war. I smell an Israeli AND and American cover up. Perhaps they were both in the wrong, and decided to mutually let it go.
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it was a tv programme on bbc4 think it was just called The six day war.The crew members of the Libery were of the opinion of you that both countries were involved and agreed to let it go.These guys were sure they were just pawns to be used by the politics of the time.
 
Thanks gravy for the links to previous threads (just made me more curious).Still think the guys involved need better information for the powers that be.
 
petra10 said:
Thanks gravy for the links to previous threads (just made me more curious).Still think the guys involved need better information for the powers that be.
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Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die...
-The Charge Of The Light Brigade

-Gumboot
 
true very true gumboot.i suppose they will just have to live with it.still i felt sorry for them it must be horrible to feel your life was expendable
 
petra10 said:
true very true gumboot.i suppose they will just have to live with it.still i felt sorry for them it must be horrible to feel your life was expendable
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Well, that is part of what being in the military is all about.
 
petra10 said:
There has been a few tv programmes on about the six day war.Its the 40th aniversary.I knew about the liberty ship being hit by what was supposed to be by accident but this programme really made good points that the Israel knew that she was an American ship.Their main point being they wanted to draw America into the war by making them think the Egyptians were responsible.Just wondered what Americans think, was this a cover-up?
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Americans believe in the Israeli version of events. We have to, because we are not able to think for ourselves.
 
SpitfireIX said:
Further, as her captain stated, the Liberty mistakenly opened fire on the torpedo boats while they were attempting to communicate by blinker--one machine gunner didn't get the "hold fire" order, and another machine gun's ammunition "cooked off" because of its proximity to a large fire. Therefore, the torpedo boats' actions cannot be used as any evidence whatsoever of a conspiracy.
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In other words the Israelis are innocent.
It was just a big misunderstanding.
 
MaGZ said:
Americans believe in the Israeli version of events. We have to, because we are not able to think for ourselves. [emphasis added]
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MaGZ, the fact that you can't think for yourself does not imply that no one else can, so please don't presume to speak for all Americans.

Also, you have failed to respond to my request to modify your statement about Other Losses.
 
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petra10 said:
There was vidoe footage of the captain at a memorial service for the 30th aniversary.In it he spoke of wanting answers,there were lots of surviving crew members who wanted answers mainly why no one came to their aid.There was an aircraft carrier nearby.They also told how they all were giving medals and told not to talk about it.The only Israeli crew member to talk was a guy from a torpedo boat who said they knew it was an American ship
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Don’t your understand, this is America.

In America there is never any criticism of Israel.
 
MaGZ said:
In other words the Israelis are innocent.
It was just a big misunderstanding.
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You seem despondent and a little wistful. As if it just seems a little unfair that, again, there doesn’t appear to be any good evidence of nefarious play on the part of the Jews. Keep the dream alive though, hey?
 
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