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Truthers think Chomsky has switched sides.

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Because Noam Chomsky has signed a petition asking for some classified information about 9/11 to be released, some of the posters at the Loose Change Forum think he's converted:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3896

This is the the wording of the petition:

We, the undersigned, demand the immediate declassification and release of all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice. It has been alleged that this urgent and out-of-the-ordinary meeting was called to discuss the increasingly dire warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack within the U.S.

Given that much of the July 10, 2001 meeting has already been made public in Bob Woodward’s newly released book, “State of Denial”, it is unacceptable to continue to keep these documents and transcripts hidden from the American public’s view.

In addition, we again call for the declassification and release of both the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI) and the CIA Inspector General’s report, “CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks”.

The disastrous nature of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks warrant the release of all of this information so that the American public may learn what its government did or did not do to protect them. Had this nation been properly warned of the looming and imminent terrorist threat, life saving choices could have been made that day.
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http://www.petitiononline.com/july10/petition.html

I don't see how wanting this information to be released makes you a Truther. If I were a member of the American Public, I would have signed it myself and I encourage the US Citizens on this board to consider signing it.

I don't imagine for a second that there's anything in the minutes of that meeting or the redacted pages of the reports that suggests LIHOP or MIHOP and releasing the information will only provide more evidence against these fantasies. Obviously, there could be perfectly good national security reasons for withholding the information - but that isn't s reason not to ask for it.

If this is supposed to be a "smoking gun" then we can add George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, the staff at the meeting and the people who gathered, processed and archived the documents to the conspiracy (as well as the people who decided they shouldn't be released). Oh, and everybody who was involved the two reports listed must have been bought off or threatened as well.

Anyway, I don't expect Chomsky to be making any statements in support of 9/11 Conspiracy Fantasies any time soon - although I expect a lot of truthers to start claiming him as one of theirs.
 
I personally doubt that Chomsky signed an online petition. Aren't they renoun to be completely useless?
 
I suspect that if one were to research online petitions (which are lame at best anyway), one would find that Noam Chomsky's name has been ascribed to many, many such petitions without his knowledge or consent.
 
Well, I signed the petition and have reluctantly announced my Truther status over at DU. I hope you guys don't ban me.

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Well, with the Bush administration wanting to send - what is estimated to be, 21,000 troops into futile oblivion (which everyone knows is an equally futile political damage control move), you're going to get people convinced he's a diabolical villain. I don't think anyone would argue this amount of conspiratorial distrust is not valid - and there's nothing wrong with being suspicious about the attacks, but declaring "gotcha" is premature and isn't constructive.
 
SirPhilip said:
Well, with the Bush administration wanting to send - what is estimated to be, 21,000 troops into futile oblivion (which everyone knows is an equally futile political damage control move), you're going to get people convinced he's a diabolical villain.
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I first began to suspect when he flipped the American people the bird on television. How dare Chomsky ask to have the worst security failure in United States history investigated?
 
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It looks to me that Chomsky et al. are trying to prove the LIHTI (Let It Happen Through Incompetence) theory, rather than LIHOP or MIHOP.
Personally I always give Cock UP Theories much more credence than Conspiracy Theories.
 
When chomsky is a truther I will seriously eat a hat. If there is conclusive evidence of this please let me know (either in this thread or by PM) and I will send you live video of me eating my hat.
 
IIRC Chomsky has signed a lot of petitions. That one seems pretty uncontroversial (and well worded) - Chomsky's talked about signing petitions even when he agreed with the aim but disliked the wording (he discusses this in Perilous Power).

As to whether he's a truther, it's worth quoting the way he digs into the movement in Perilous Power again (pp12-3):

"I'm deluded with stuff about this. I don't read a lot of it, because I generally don't think it's worth looking at. But I've looked at some of it, just out of curiosity, and this seems to me that those who make such claims just do not understand the nature of evidence. After all, why do scientists do experiments? Why not just take videotapes of what's happening outside? The things that are going on in the phenomenal world are just too complicated to study. You're not going to get sharp results from studying them; you're going to get all kinds of confusion, strange things happening that you can't understand, and so on. So what you do controlled experiments." Trying to apply the standards of controlled scientific experiments to "real-world phenomena, when you try to apply those standards to it, yes, you're going to find all sorts of odd things. With the kind of evidence that is being used, you could prove that the White House was bombed yesterday."
"Plus there is the style of the presentation of the evidence. People who know nothing about civil engineering, except what they picked up on the Internet somewhere, giving an early treaties or more must have happened: How could a building do this... These are not trivial matters. You can't just looked up on the Internet and say ‘I'm an accomplished civil engineer’. So those who make such claims just don't understand the nature of evidence."
It's "almost beyond comprehension" that the Bush administration would do something like this. Moreover, such claims about 911 are diversions. "Even if it were true that the Bush administration had planned and implemented the attacks, that would be a minor point compared with the crimes that they committing against the American people and the world."
 
anyone else notice that when a signiture is rejected on that petition it still counts towards the total number?
 
Ummm, I can't imagine that Chomsky would have reversed the position he rather flatly denied:

From his blog said:
Noam Chomsky: Hard for me to respond to the rest of the letter, because I am not persuaded by the assumption that much documentation and other evidence has been uncovered. To determine that, we'd have to investigate the alleged evidence. Take, say, the physical evidence. There are ways to assess that: submit it to specialists -- of whom there are thousands -- who have the requisite background in civil-mechanical engineering, materials science, building construction, etc., for review and analysis; and one cannot gain the required knowledge by surfing the internet. In fact, that's been done, by the professional association of civil engineers. Or, take the course pursued by anyone who thinks they have made a genuine discovery: submit it to a serious journal for peer review and publication. To my knowledge, there isn't a single submission.
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The entire article is here.
 
Yeah, I saw that. Ridiculous. Hell, I signed that letter as a favor to a friend. Certainly doesn't mean LIHOP or MIHOP.
 
Abbyas said:
Yeah, I saw that. Ridiculous. Hell, I signed that letter as a favor to a friend. Certainly doesn't mean LIHOP or MIHOP.
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Is the rumour about you and "a friend" true? Never mind, i'm just curious. :boxedin:
 
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