Truther-string of quotes, appeal for authority?

[Jono]

Below is a post from a WN over at Stormfront, giving a plethora of quotes from various governmental authorities on the 9/11 Commission etc, has anyone here been confronted by these before?

Also, there is the letter in the end, allegedly written by Osama Bin Laden where he distances himself from the 9/11 event.

(warning, the below link goes to the Stormfront forums, a listed hate-speech site, may be restricted if entered via public computers.)
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3937525&postcount=140

 

[PerryLogan]

The StormFronters cite this link as their source:
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Here's the post:

Senator Max Cleland - Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003: "I, as a member of the [9/11] Commission, cannot look any American in the eye... It is a national scandal... this White House wants to cover [9/11] up."


Senator Mark Dayton - Member, Senate Committee on Armed Services and Homeland Security:
"[NORAD] lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 Commission...the most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and negligence"


Congressman Ron Paul - Vice Chairman of the Oversight and Investigations subcommittee: “The [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation"


Congressman Curt Weldon:
"[9/11 Commission] there's something very sinister going on here... something desperately wrong... This involved what is right now the covering up of information that led to the deaths of 3,000 people"


Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney - Member of the House Armed Services Committee:“The [9/11] Commission ran up against obstruction by the administration and non-cooperation from government agencies... the errors and omissions immediately jumped out at us"


Director of the FBI, Louis Freeh:
"[9/11 Commission findings] raise serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself"


Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Paul Craig Roberts, PhD:
"Distinguished national and international scientists and scholars present massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax and that the 9/11 "terrorist attack" has been manipulated to serve a hegemonic agenda in the Middle East... We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to "pancake" at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false"


Assistant Secretary of Housing, Catherine Austin Fitts:
"The official story could not possibly have happened... It’s not possible. It’s not operationally feasible... The Commission was a whitewash. "


U.S. Army Intelligence officer, Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice, John Loftus:
"The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence"


Foreign Service Officer, George Kenney:
"I cannot believe, much as I might like to, the standard account of 9/11"


Foreign Service Officer, J. Michael Springman:
"Fifteen of the nineteen people who allegedly flew airplanes into buildings in the United States got their visas from the same CIA Consulate at Jeddah"


Deputy Attorney General, State of Pennsylvania, Philip J. Berg, Esquire:
"The official story of what actually took place on 0/11 is a lie. "


Major General U.S. Army, Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, Albert Stubblebine [his specialty – analyzing satellite photos]:
"I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole. So what did hit the Pentagon?’”


Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center:
"I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate."


Col. Robert Bowman, U.S. Air Force, Director of Advanced Space Programs, PhD Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering:
"The official 9/11 story is impossible .. There is a cover up... high levels of our government don't want us to know what happened... highly placed individuals in the administration...Dick Cheney...the very kindest thing we can say about George W Bush...is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder."


Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force, aircraft accident investigator:
"I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident... The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from view .. with all the evidence readilty available at the pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged .. the most heinous conspiracy in outr country's history."


Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army:
[Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001] "When you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile."


Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force, fighter pilot, commercial pilot flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777s. Had previously flown Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC:
"The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple...[Regarding Flight 77]"The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles... The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77"


Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force, Office of the Secretary of Defense, staff of the Director of the National Security Agency:
"It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics...There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked Pentagon, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage one would expect from the impact of a large airliner... this visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the Sec of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a ' missile ' ... I saw nothing of significance at the point of contact ~ no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon .. all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected was not evident .. the same is true with regard to the damage we expected .. but I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 0r 40 minutes, with the roof remaining relatively straight .. The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would have expected if a missile had struck the Pentagon "


Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, Barbara Honegger, MS:
"The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC 2, and in WTC 7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11...A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high−speed 270−degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti−aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building...Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system"


Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army, U.S. Army Intelligence Officer:
"I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. ... [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC 1 and 2...and WTC7...not hit by an airplane...the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon"


Capt. Eric H. May, U.S. Army, Intelligence officer:
"I view the 911 event ...as a matter that implies either...A) passive participation by the Bush White House through a deliberate stand-down or B) active execution of a plot by rogue elements of government, starting with the White House itself, in creating a spectacle of destruction that would lead the United States into an invasion of the Middle East"


Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’s Daily Brief, U.S. Army Intelligence Officer, Raymond L. McGovern:
"I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke...just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11...making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11...that’s certainly an impeachable offense...But compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited."


National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, William Christison:
"there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them...this all was totally an inside job. I have since decided that... at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen... The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions... I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all... It's a monstrous crime."


U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer, case officer CIA. Robert David Steele:
"I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others...This is, without question, the most important modern reference on state-sponsored terrorism, and also the reference that most pointedly suggests that select rogue elements within the US Government, most likely led by Dick Cheney with the assistance of George Tenet, Buzzy Kronguard, and others close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism...I'm absolutely certain that WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition and that as far as I'm concerned means that this case has not been properly investigated. There's no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition."


CIA Case Officer, Specialist in the Middle East, Directorate of Operations, Awarded Career Intelligence Medal, Robert Baer:
[Regarding the opinion there was an aspect of 'inside job' to 9/11 within the U.S. Government], "There is that possibility, the evidence points at it."


Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the federal Aviation Administration. Team leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team in the Federal Air Marshall program, Coast Guard officer, Bogdan Dzakovic:
"At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous."


Minister of Justice, West Germany, Horst Ehmke, PhD:
"Terrorists could not have carried out such an operation with four hijacked planes without the support of a secret service."


State Secretary, Federal Ministry of Defense, West Germany, Andreas von Buelow, PhD:
"The official story is so inadequate and far-fetched that there must be another one...This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry."


President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga:
"[9/11] could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel."


General Leonid Ivashov, Chief of Staff, Russian armed forces, Ministry of Defense:
"Only secret services and their current chiefs – or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations – have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation [9/11] of such magnitude...Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders."


Foreign Minister of Egypt, Mohamed Hassanein Heikal:
"Bin Laden does not have the capabilities for an operation [9/11] of this magnitude. When I hear Bush talking about al-Qaida as if it was Nazi Germany or the communist party of the Soviet Union, I laugh because I know what is there. Bin Laden has been under surveillance for years: every telephone call was monitored and al-Qaida has been penetrated by American intelligence, Pakistani intelligence, Saudi intelligence, Egyptian intelligence. They could not have kept secret an operation that required such a degree of organisation and sophistication."


Chief of Staff, Pakistani Army, General Mirza Aslam Beg:
"The information which is now coming up, goes to prove that involvement by the ‘rogue elements’ of the U.S. military and intelligence organization is getting more obvious. Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda definitely do not have the knowhow and the capability to launch such operations involving such high precision coordination, based on information and expertise."


European Parliament, Committee on Security and Defense, Giulietto Chiesa:
"Billions of people were given only one explanation....which is entirely false....everyone who dares to question it is treated as if he was a fool."


French Army Intelligence and artillery officer, Col. Pierre-Henri Bunel, Expert in the effects of artillery weapons and explosives:
"Image of the impact on the Pentagon is very instructive as to the nature of the explosion. ... It corresponds to a detonation of an explosive with high energetic power. The explosion does not correspond to a deflagration of kerosene...suggests a single engine flying vehicle much smaller in size than an airliner...resembles the effects of anti-concrete hollow charges that I have been able to observe on a number of battlefields...lead me therefore to think that the detonation that struck the building was that of a high-powered hollow charge used to destroy hardened buildings and carried by an aerial vehicle, a missile."


Safety Engineer and accident Analyst, National Safety Technology Authority, Finland, Heikki Kurttila, PhD: "Conclusion: The observed collapse time of WTC 7 was 6.5 seconds. That is only half a second longer than it would have taken for the top of the building to fall to the ground in a vacuum, and half a second shorter than the falling time of an apple when air resistance is taken into account. ... The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition."


Counter-Terrorism Officer, MI5 (Britain), David Shayler:
"The available evidence indicates that people in key positions in the FBI, the State Department, the CIA and so on were not loyal to the Constitution; that they saw an opportunity in plans laid down by genuine Islamic terrorists to carry out an operation that would shock the world and would therefore justify U.S. adventurism in the middle East, particularly in Afghanistan and Iraq."


Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Thomas H. Kean, Former Governor of New Jersey:
"FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue...We, to this day, don't know why NORAD told us what they told us...It was just so far from the truth."


Vice Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Lee Hamilton, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Homeland Security Advisory Council:
"we got started late; we had a very short time frame...we did not have enough money...We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people. ... So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail."


9/11 Commissioner, Timothy J. Roemer, PhD, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence:
"That panel members so distrusted testimony from Pentagon officials that they referred their concerns to the Pentagon's inspector general...We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting."


Senior Counsel, 9/11 Commission, John J. Farmer, Jr., Former Attorney General, NJ, Former Commissioner of the State Commission of Investigations:
[Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public] - "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described...The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years."




IN CONCLUSION...

An excerpt from an authentic interview of our supposed enemy, criminal mastermind and arch-villain Usama bin Laden himself (as opposed to the fake tapes released by the CIA)...

Source: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi, Pakistan - Friday, 28 September 2001 - pages 1, 7.
Source: BBC Monitoring Service. - Source: http://www.khilafah.com/1421/categor...D=2392&TagID=2


[/quote]

“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States... I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act.

“Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam...

“America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates.Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed…

“The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system…those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity…They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia…

“Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy…

“You see, the Bush Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat...

“In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks…

“I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word…

“The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which makes us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness...”

 

[kookbreaker]

The StormFronters cite this link as their source:
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Are any of those guys actually members of an organization called 'Patriots for...', or is the website just shanghai'ing them for their quotes?

 

[PerryLogan]

I think the Stormfront guy just took the information from the "Patriots Question 9/11" website, which is done by a man named Alan Miller.

"Patriots Question 9/11" features a superficially impressive list of people who have publicly expressed doubts or problems about 9/11.

Some on the list are known woo-woos who get debunked every day at JREF.

The others are simply not Truthers. They appear to be legitimate people who feel the administration's behavior during and after 9/11 deserves further study. Several of them specifically disavow the conspiracy theories.

If you put all these people in contact with one another, they might agree that 9/11 should be further studied. But I'll bet most of them would deny that 9/11 was an inside job, or that the Administration deliberately let it happen.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Then the next step...

Is to plow through the actual quotes and see how many of them add on assorted critical caveats: like saying that Osama did it, but must have had help, or that while a secret service did it, it was not an "inside job," and how many of these speakers later ate their words.

 

[beachnut]

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force, fighter pilot, commercial pilot flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777s. Had previously flown Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC:
"The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple...[Regarding Flight 77]"The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles... The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77"

Osama, the want to be Charlie Manson? “The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system…those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity…They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia…

A long list of nut cases and they throw in the misinformation king Osama at the end.

I am upset that someone who was in the Air Force is now nuts or just too old to think. Russ? Rusty, nut case guy? I was wondering what speeds he was talking about for 77. 77 flew a 300KIAS turn with a 13000 foot radius turn at 30-35 degrees of bank. Standard stuff, but he was speeding in a 250KIAS zone, but below the airframe limit of 350KCAS. Wonder if Russ was ever right about much?

Russ should have waited to see the FDR. The highest g reading was 1.7g. Kind of high for passengers but it was not because the terrorist pilot was trying to be a great pilot, he was just over controlling at the end.

Yes Russ the plane was going fast at the end, but there was no great maneuver to produce a high speed stall. Zip. It makes me wonder what makes Russ tell such big lies?

Then we have Osama trying to start a war between the nations of the world. He reminds me of a other crazy murderer, Chilies Manson.

Who are these idiots who grab the biggest nuts as their proof experts.

 

[JamesB]

This is pretty bizarre that they consider Louis Freeh, the guy in charge of concluding that 19 Arabs were behind 9/11, as being on their side.