Truther Speaks.............So Nobody listen!!!!

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I'll admit it, I was a truther. I held the signs, talked the nonsense, and believed i needed to wear a tinfoil hat from all the times i heard it. But honestly, I haven't changed much, but realized how far this " truther" stuff is been going on. I mean, some of these theories are just ridiculous.

Out of all the things I learned from being on the hot table for about 3 years now, its that we as Americans ( Truthers, Non-Truthers) are all equally ignorant. Truthers always under mind the fact that there is an official document that explains SOME of the things quite clearly, while the non-truthers fail to question the evidence that doesn't make any sense. Not to say that this was an inside job, or that there were no planes. But that there was some backs turned, and some wallets did get fat that day.

I guess the only thing I have to say about this is so called Truther movement is that even though i like the spirit, I really dont agree entirely to what they say. We as Americans have the right to question the government, and have the right to demand not for the truth, but clarity on that awful day. I know how easy it is to read the last page of the 9/11 commission report and walk away, but to question something that seems unusual to you takes something else. However ,this in mind, it is not rightful for us Americans to make outrages claims, theories, and statements without seeing all sides of the story. Until this day, I have not seen all perspectives, i only go on with what i know.

Until today, there is still many debates on whether there were planes, whether it was a controlled demolition, whether a missile hit the pentagon, why the government hid the tapes, if anybody made money, and even if terrorist planned the attack in the first place. If there's one thing that I do know, is that thousands of innocent people lost their lives that day. And truther or not, you have to pay respects to these people.
 
I'll admit it, I was a truther. I held the signs, talked the nonsense, and believed i needed to wear a tinfoil hat from all the times i heard it. But honestly, I haven't changed much, but realized how far this " truther" stuff is been going on. I mean, some of these theories are just ridiculous.

Out of all the things I learned from being on the hot table for about 3 years now, its that we as Americans ( Truthers, Non-Truthers) are all equally ignorant. Truthers always under mind the fact that there is an official document that explains SOME of the things quite clearly, while the non-truthers fail to question the evidence that doesn't make any sense. Not to say that this was an inside job, or that there were no planes. But that there was some backs turned, and some wallets did get fat that day.

I guess the only thing I have to say about this is so called Truther movement is that even though i like the spirit, I really dont agree entirely to what they say. We as Americans have the right to question the government, and have the right to demand not for the truth, but clarity on that awful day. I know how easy it is to read the last page of the 9/11 commission report and walk away, but to question something that seems unusual to you takes something else. However ,this in mind, it is not rightful for us Americans to make outrages claims, theories, and statements without seeing all sides of the story. Until this day, I have not seen all perspectives, i only go on with what i know.

Until today, there is still many debates on whether there were planes, whether it was a controlled demolition, whether a missile hit the pentagon, why the government hid the tapes, if anybody made money, and even if terrorist planned the attack in the first place. If there's one thing that I do know, is that thousands of innocent people lost their lives that day. And truther or not, you have to pay respects to these people.

Some truthers don't think ANYONE died on that day.
Google the "Vicsim report" and prepare to meet your lunch again.
 
I know how easy it is to read the last page of the 9/11 commission report and walk away, but to question something that seems unusual to you takes something else.

The thing is you need a reason to question 911 being an inside job.

And all of the "reasons" provided by truthers have been 100% wrong back to front.

Some have been frauds, a great many have been lies, a greater number have been misrepresentations, many have been based on out of context quotes, a great number have been based on incompetence and then dishonesty to try and cover that up.

The problem is truthers have a mentality that there must be something fishy about 911 because they have been told there is by other truthers.

They don't want to believe the "official story" because they don't want to believe the government. So if they don't want to believe the government, who else are they going to turn to? The "alternative" opinions of truthers of course.

And even when you start to realise that at least most of what truthers say is wrong you still think that surely some of what they said was correct... right? Surely they can't be wrong about e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g?

I see it now like Creationism, its amazing to think that Creationists could be 100% wrong about every single claim they make, but they really are.
 
um...what's with this self-made-martyr title????

"I am speaking!!!!! nobody is listening to me!!!! waaa!!!!!"

9-11 truth, part deux...is crap. that's why i don't believe it. its that simple.

bring me some real evidence, and i will take a look. until then....
 
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Has anybody seen the Movie Tora!Tora!Tora! I think that something similar to that happened. Obviously not the same place and time, but in the same manner at which there were varies of under minded events, ignored threats, and little action done to what was going to happen. Yes there were planes that day, yes there was terrorist who are now dead, and yes, 9/11 was a planned attack. But how much of this did our government let slip through the cracks? Do you think that our government, let alone all the Goverments in the world are kids sitting in the classroom,with their hands crossed with little halos over their heads? No. Not to say that they are devils bound to destroy human life. Its merely business and politics.And anyone who pretends to understand politics(without being in the system itself) for the mere fact of saying that something is 100% wrong just doesn't seem justified.
 
I never asked this to anybody else, but what do you guys think happened. Usually i see truthers do most of the senseless talking, while the others just disprove things but never really explain what they believe in. One of my friends once said that.... " Maybe non-truthers believe that 9/11 happened when the 9/11 report came out." Really didn't get what he meant by that, but he always thought is was funny for some reason.
 
Do you think that our government, let alone all the Goverments in the world are kids sitting in the classroom,with their hands crossed with little halos over their heads? No.

EDIT: OK I totally misread the above. I thought you were saying something about Bush in the classroom. Doh! Anyway I'll leave the post as it is :D

See that has to be one of the silliest arguments for an Inside Job.

If you went to the trouble of carrying out the attacks on 911 including coordinating all kinds of fake reports media involvement, emergency service involvement, putting explosives in buildings, inventing silent explosives and demolition methods never used before or since, paying off and/or scaring witness' and so on...

... if you do all that, is it reasonable to think they would not have a plan to act in a competent way in that classroom when the attack happens?

No. The fact that Bush did nothing for so long on 911 in that classroom is a reason AGAINST belief in an inside job, not for it.

But truthers like to believe in the stupid-genius' idea of a conspiracy theory so they usually have this backwards logic.
 
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Its merely business and politics.And anyone who pretends to understand politics(without being in the system itself) for the mere fact of saying that something is 100% wrong just doesn't seem justified.

I'm confused by this last part. You seem to be saying that 'politics' is some secret world that can't be understood by 'outsiders'. Is that correct?

And to quote Dumb All Over
What do you think happened?
 
Well, I never mentioned anything about putting explosive in buildings, nor Bush having any actual involvement in the physical attacks. I just said that our government let this slip through the cracks. There doesn't have to be any media changing or false medical reports because the event did happen the way it did. It just wasn't prevented, seeing the information that we had on previous days.
 
Well, I never mentioned anything about putting explosive in buildings, nor Bush having any actual involvement in the physical attacks. I just said that our government let this slip through the cracks. There doesn't have to be any media changing or false medical reports because the event did happen the way it did. It just wasn't prevented, seeing the information that we had on previous days.
When the government let this slip through the cracks, do you think they let it slip on purpose?
 
Well, I never mentioned anything about putting explosive in buildings, nor Bush having any actual involvement in the physical attacks. I just said that our government let this slip through the cracks. There doesn't have to be any media changing or false medical reports because the event did happen the way it did. It just wasn't prevented, seeing the information that we had on previous days.

Its funny I was where you were about a year and a half ago.
 
I never asked this to anybody else, but what do you guys think happened. Usually i see truthers do most of the senseless talking, while the others just disprove things but never really explain what they believe in. One of my friends once said that.... " Maybe non-truthers believe that 9/11 happened when the 9/11 report came out." Really didn't get what he meant by that, but he always thought is was funny for some reason.

I was aware of Bin Laden before 9/11. I was working as a TV News Director at the time.

I believe some Muslim terrorists hijacked four commercial airplanes and crashed them into buildings and a field in Pennsylvania.

They were able to do this through a combination of good planning, lax airport security regulations and a US intelligence community that had institutional barriers in place which prevented different agencies from sharing information.

There is a lot of evidence to support this belief: http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/index.html

That is just some of the evidence that has been presented in a US courtroom which supports the case that Al Qaeda committed the attacks on 9/11.

Do the Truthers have anything like that?
 
It just wasn't prevented, seeing the information that we had on previous days.
Please provide direct evidence there that the government knew planes would be hijacked on 9/11 and flown into buildings.

Direct sources only, no speculation, reading between the lines, they should ha known, etc.

Thanks and welcome to the forum.

LIHOP is much more plausible then MIHOP but still suffers from a serious lack of evidence.
 
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That' s a very hard question, At first, I used to say that they did do it on purpose for the money. But then I thought, would the government really kill thousands of people for billions. I wouldn't like to think of it that way, and according to many people, its seems ridiculous. Very simple concept and has been human nature, but I then I thought, No. Because the Government just let this slip through the cracks for the mere fact that they didn't take it as a serious threat, and didn't want to say that the most terrible day in America could of been prevented.
 
Please provide direct evidence there that the government knew planes would be hijacked on 9/11 and flown into buildings.

Direct sources only, no speculation, reading between the lines, they should ha known, etc.

Thanks and welcome to the forum.

LIHOP is much more plausible then MIHOP but still suffers from a serious lack of evidence.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/20385

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16411947/NORAD-Exercises-Hijack-Summary


*Awaits the hand waving*
 
That' s a very hard question, At first, I used to say that they did do it on purpose for the money. But then I thought, would the government really kill thousands of people for billions. I wouldn't like to think of it that way, and according to many people, its seems ridiculous. Very simple concept and has been human nature, but I then I thought, No. Because the Government just let this slip through the cracks for the mere fact that they didn't take it as a serious threat, and didn't want to say that the most terrible day in America could of been prevented.
I guess you are saying hindsight is 20-20, yes?
 

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