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Truther Defense anti-Semitism

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Read this email I got from one of them. It is very very sad. I thought we were done with this garbage.

"I feel the first step toward a peaceful solution is the dismantlement of the Israeli State. Prior to the Zionist influence, Jews and Arabs lived together in relative peace and harmony. Many Jewish people need to understand that Zionism is not Judaism. In fact, Zionism is the diametric opposite.

I must disagree with your comments on the Naturei Karta, as their philosophy is representative of true Judaism. In contrast, the Zionist ideology is not only irreligious, but it is also rooted in criminality. Unfortunately, it is the Zionists who have indoctrinated not only the Jewish people, but also Gentiles with the false belief that they are representative of the Jewish interest. This could not be further from the truth.

The Zionists were imperialists who would go to any length to establish a state of their own, and their motivation was purely political. As con artists, they would travel the world, convincing their communities that in the creation of a Jewish State, they were enacting God's will. The propaganda they employed was incredibly successful, and before long, the Zionists had completely re-written the definition of Judaism.

It is true that anti-Semitism has existed for over 2,000 years, however, the problem lies in the fact that many Jewish people are either unaware, or are unwilling to take a stand against the true cause. While religious bigotry played a minor role, the true cause is the criminal behavior of members of their own community such as the Zionists, Money Changers, and more recently the monopoly this clique has had over the mainstream media.

These were atheistic individuals who for many hundreds of years have caused great suffering to their host nation(s); all in the name of personal gain. The control these people had (and still do) is completely unparalleled. Rather than act in the interest of the countries in which they reside (as the Torah instructs) these people use their control over the banking system and political process to further their agenda.

Unfortunately, instead of denouncing these criminals, many Jews have defended their actions. This is mostly for reason of the fact that these criminal have used anti-Semitism as a tool (long before the Zionist movement) to coerce the collaboration of their fellow Jews. Until the Jewish people recognize this problem, this will be a vicious cycle that is doomed to repeat itself.

I feel that the Jewish people are the biggest victims of all, as they have been duped for so long that they are unable to see the deception. Many supporters of Israel will claim that this is a safe haven, where Jews may be free of anti-Semitism, however, they are overlooking the fact that Zionism thrives on anti-Semitism, and that the true cause of this is criminality from within their own community."
 
Guy Who Sent Parky An Email said:
The Zionists were imperialists who would go to any length to establish a state of their own, and their motivation was purely political.

As a Jew looking over the history that has led us to the present state of affairs in Israel, I really want to punch the British. British imperialism created Palastine, British imperialism favored Jews over arabs (because the British considered the Jews to be easier to work with). The withdrawal of the British in the 1920s left the Jews in de facto control of the area. And then we get blamed for their nonsense.

It is true that anti-Semitism has existed for over 2,000 years,

Okay, so he admits that anti-Semitism existed thousands of years before zionism. Heck, it existed when the Jews were still in Zion the first time.

While religious bigotry played a minor role, the true cause is the criminal behavior of members of their own community such as the Zionists

WTF!!! "I admit Anti-Semitism existed before Zionism but that was because of all the Zionists"??!!

Money Changers

What's criminal about banking?

and more recently the monopoly this clique has had over the mainstream media.

So, the four reasons he gives for anti-Semitism before Zionism began in, say, the 1920s were:

1. Religious intolerance (minor)
2. Zionism
3. Banking
4. Mainstream media that developed after Zionism.

Well reasoned. This guy should publish.
 
What's criminal about banking?

Banking was seen as sinful by Catholocism in the past. Dante had a place reserved for moneylenders.

Many jews, as they were not allowed much residence and not given many employment opportunities, took advantage of jobs that didn't require you to put down roots; moneylenders, lawyers, doctors, etc. It's partly how they became a semi-success story (only semi because of the oppression that many of them underwent nonetheless).

So yeah, Moneylending seems "wrong" if you look at it with the Catholic PoV.
 
What's interesting is, just for kicks, I looked up the largest financial companies in the world.

1. HSBC - started by a Scot to support the British in the Far East
2. Citigroup - can be traced back to the Rockefellers
3. Bank of America - traced back to Italians in New York (Bank of Italy) and bankers in Charlotte, NC
4. JP Morgan Chase - Rockefellers again
5. Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group - Japanese, duh
6. Credit Argicole Group - French
7. Royal Bank of Scotland - started by Royal Charter of King George I
8. Sumitomo Mitsui Financial Group - Japanese
9. Mizuho Financial Group - Japanese
10. Santander Central Hispano - Spanish

None of them appear to be Jewish.

-Gumboot
 
That's because they are in disguise. You understand nothing?

The whole anti-Jewish thing is something the twoofers do to conceal the fact they are secretly controlled by super-squirrels that have been breeding in Canada since they escaped a Rochester NY research lab in 1923.

Admittedly, the guy who cleaned the lab was Jewish and though he always denied leaving the cage open, he was probably in the pay of the squirrels.

You can't fight nonsense with rational argument people. Believing in the Squirrels is far simpler and consistent with every bit of troofidence.
 
Banking was seen as sinful by Catholocism in the past. Dante had a place reserved for moneylenders.

Many jews, as they were not allowed much residence and not given many employment opportunities, took advantage of jobs that didn't require you to put down roots; moneylenders, lawyers, doctors, etc. It's partly how they became a semi-success story (only semi because of the oppression that many of them underwent nonetheless).

So yeah, Moneylending seems "wrong" if you look at it with the Catholic PoV.

Yes, orginally "usury" was lending money at any interest rate at all.
 
Anti-Semitism never changes...

It's always the same garbage, just updated for modern technology.

Of course, the Holocaust and the existence of the state of Israel gives the anti-Semites new clubs with which to hit Jews over the head. Their basic take on the Holocaust would be funny if it wasn't disgusting, "It never happened, but the Jews got what they deserved."

An important point to note about anti-Semitism (and I've written about it here and other places, so I won't bore the audience) is that anti-Semites refer to Jews as "types." They know little about the reality of Jews, Jewish life, Jewish traditions, and so forth, beyond what they've read in "Der Sturmer"-type publications, which reinforces and fuels their views.

If they actually had to spend time with real live Jews, they'd have to make some changes in their views...they do backpedal when caught out.
 
If they actually had to spend time with real live Jews, they'd have to make some changes in their views...they do backpedal when caught out.

For instance, this particular Jew spends an inordinate amount of time reading Heroes spoilers on TV fan sites.

And I can just hear the people over at Stormfront now: "Those damn Jews, they can't even wait for an episode to air before finding out whether the little Japanese guy and whatshisname from the Gilmore Girls save the cheerleader. They make me sick!"
 
As a Jew looking over the history that has led us to the present state of affairs in Israel, I really want to punch the British. British imperialism created Palastine, British imperialism favored Jews over arabs (because the British considered the Jews to be easier to work with). The withdrawal of the British in the 1920s left the Jews in de facto control of the area. And then we get blamed for their nonsense.

Huh? I am assuming you are posting with tongue firmly in cheek?
 
IIRC, Islam has a prohibition against charging interest as well. This is usually ignored, but during the oil bust of the late '90s a lot of Arabs got religion and tried using that prohibition to get out of their debt-service payments. I don't think it worked though.
 
What's interesting is, just for kicks, I looked up the largest financial companies in the world.

1. HSBC - started by a Scot to support the British in the Far East
2. Citigroup - can be traced back to the Rockefellers
3. Bank of America - traced back to Italians in New York (Bank of Italy) and bankers in Charlotte, NC
4. JP Morgan Chase - Rockefellers again
5. Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group - Japanese, duh
6. Credit Argicole Group - French
7. Royal Bank of Scotland - started by Royal Charter of King George I
8. Sumitomo Mitsui Financial Group - Japanese
9. Mizuho Financial Group - Japanese
10. Santander Central Hispano - Spanish

None of them appear to be Jewish.

-Gumboot

I wonder if you are familiar with Niall Ferguson. He is a Scot who wrote about a very influential family named Rothschild, some of the world's best financiers. Recently, one of the Rothschild scions, worth a few billion, was connected to the lovely actress Natalie Portman.

His work only takes you up to the interwar period, which is a bit of a disappointment, but I think that was the limit of the access he was allowed: basically, family records of those already deceased.

It is an impressive work, in two volumes. Have a look.

Now, there is a considerable mythology that has grown up around the Rothschild family, some of it downright nasty. The Rothschild family tend to keep things private, a trait I admire in this day and age of people acting out badly in the public eye. (Paris Hilton, I mean you!) They don't draw attention to themselves.

That doesn't mean their international financial network isn't as influential or as powerful as, for example, HSBC. Just more private. ;) In a privately held company, a great deal of information is NOT available to the public.

DR
 
As a Jew looking over the history that has led us to the present state of affairs in Israel, I really want to punch the British. British imperialism created Palastine, British imperialism favored Jews over arabs (because the British considered the Jews to be easier to work with). The withdrawal of the British in the 1920s left the Jews in de facto control of the area. And then we get blamed for their nonsense.

Something my people have known for over a thousand years. The British suck.
 
Huh? I am assuming you are posting with tongue firmly in cheek?

I'm dead serious. What most Arabs believe the Zionists did in the last part of the 1800s and the early part of the 1900s in Palestine was really British colonial policy exacerbated by the abandonment of Palestine by the British after World War I.

The British created the political situation in Israel and its Arab neighbors the way they created the political situation in South Africa, Jamaica or twenty other places where an indigenous population now lives in worse conditions than a transplanted population.
 
IIRC, Islam has a prohibition against charging interest as well. This is usually ignored, but during the oil bust of the late '90s a lot of Arabs got religion and tried using that prohibition to get out of their debt-service payments. I don't think it worked though.

Correct, and at least in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), where I lived for several years, you had the choice between Western Banks (that paid and collected interest) and "Islamic Banks", which I presume did not charge interest (I am sure that they have found other ways around that, given the size of their buildings and lobbies...
 
I'm dead serious. What most Arabs believe the Zionists did in the last part of the 1800s and the early part of the 1900s in Palestine was really British colonial policy exacerbated by the abandonment of Palestine by the British after World War I.

The British created the political situation in Israel and its Arab neighbors the way they created the political situation in South Africa, Jamaica or twenty other places where an indigenous population now lives in worse conditions than a transplanted population.

Interesting take. I double-dog dare you to post the same thing in the Politics Sub-forum and see how your view is seen over there...:eek: :covereyes
 
I'm dead serious. What most Arabs believe the Zionists did in the last part of the 1800s and the early part of the 1900s in Palestine was really British colonial policy exacerbated by the abandonment of Palestine by the British after World War I.

The British created the political situation in Israel and its Arab neighbors the way they created the political situation in South Africa, Jamaica or twenty other places where an indigenous population now lives in worse conditions than a transplanted population.

Hey, leave the British out of it. It was all the English. The rest of us are really quite nice.
 

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