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Truther ‘Confrontations’: What Are They Accomplishing?

Walter Ego

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Having watched a lot of these public ‘confrontations’ on You Tube recently, I’ve come to the conclusion that they are merely a form of social reinforcement for the truther movement. All they are really doing is annoying the public at large and probably harming their ‘cause.’ (In which case, keep it up, truthers!) I mean, for anyone who didn’t think they were kooks already this public idiocy should help convince them.
 
All we have to do is sit back and let them run their own movement into the ground. We should also encourage folks like iAmerican to talk to as many people as possible, as often as possible.
 
They allow the conspiracists to feel like they're accomplishing something without accomplishing something- they can go home at the end of the day and pretend that they've tried.

Furthermore, it allows those "pulling the strings" (ie Alex Jones) to send his minions on a fools errand.

To look at the "accomplishments" of the "Truth Movement"- one can only come to the conclusion that the goal of the "Truth Movement" is to accomplish nothing and make a lot of noise in the process.
 
All we have to do is sit back and let them run their own movement into the ground. We should also encourage folks like iAmerican to talk to as many people as possible, as often as possible.

I second that. Most especially as it applies to iAmerican.
 
Truther ‘Confrontations’: What Are They Accomplishing?


I’ve always seen them as an extension of sassing one’s parents on the one hand and simply vanity and attention seeking on the other.
 
It's a sign of desperation,really.
And it not a coincidence that the Ron Paul supporters are starting to use these tactics.
 
Walter;

The truth movement is VERY much a movement of young, angry men (about 90% of their movement). They are upset with govt, upset with their lives at this stage, upset with the way America is perceived by the world. All of this upset pushes them to "rage against the machine". The confrontations, as others have said, are merely self-reinforcement within their group. It is a warped, malicious, paranoid version of "JackAss".

TAM:)
 
all they accomplish is convince more and more people that they are rude and insane.
 
guys guys, your looking too deeply at this, they have no idea what they are achieving...their retards...
 
Walter;

The truth movement is VERY much a movement of young, angry men (about 90% of their movement). They are upset with govt, upset with their lives at this stage, upset with the way America is perceived by the world. All of this upset pushes them to "rage against the machine". The confrontations, as others have said, are merely self-reinforcement within their group. It is a warped, malicious, paranoid version of "JackAss".

TAM:)

Come wit it now!

The angst filled testosterone driven young males see themselves and their peers as the People of the Sun who are endowed with the strength and ferocity like Bulls on Parade. They rebel openly against the Evil Empire and speak out against the program of Vietnow while being fully loaded with truth like a Revolver loaded with bullets. They bristle with anger and warn us about the Snake Charmer(s) who really lead the world governments. They exclaim, "you Tire me!" and close their ears when shills confront them with science and logic. Armed with the truth they see themselves marching Down Rodeo and other affluent streets spreading the word that will free the oppressed who are Without a Face in this society. They warn us about NAFTA and they are not fooled for they can see oncoming disaster from the Wind Below. They Roll Right with the truth while we, the sheeple, march blindly to the beat of our master's drum. We are enslaved by dogma, they are free with truth and this truth will restore the power to the people in the Year of the Boomerang.

When the time comes they will "rally 'round the family with a pocket full of shells" and the guilty will hang.

:D
 
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Lee Harris may have nailed it in an article called "Al-Quaeda's Fantasy Ideology" published in Policy Review. An excerpt which has particular relevance:

My first encounter with this particular kind of fantasy occurred when I was in college in the late sixties. A friend of mine and I got into a heated argument. Although we were both opposed to the Vietnam War, we discovered that we differed considerably on what counted as permissible forms of anti-war protest. To me the point of such protest was simple — to turn people against the war. Hence anything that was counterproductive to this purpose was politically irresponsible and should be severely censured. My friend thought otherwise; in fact, he was planning to join what by all accounts was to be a massively disruptive demonstration in Washington, and which in fact became one.

My friend did not disagree with me as to the likely counterproductive effects of such a demonstration. Instead, he argued that this simply did not matter. His answer was that even if it was counterproductive, even if it turned people against war protesters, indeed even if it made them more likely to support the continuation of the war, he would still participate in the demonstration and he would do so for one simple reason — because it was, in his words, good for his soul.

What I saw as a political act was not, for my friend, any such thing. It was not aimed at altering the minds of other people or persuading them to act differently. Its whole point was what it did for him.

And what it did for him was to provide him with a fantasy — a fantasy, namely, of taking part in the revolutionary struggle of the oppressed against their oppressors. By participating in a violent anti-war demonstration, he was in no sense aiming at coercing conformity with his view — for that would still have been a political objective. Instead, he took his part in order to confirm his ideological fantasy of marching on the right side of history, of feeling himself among the elect few who stood with the angels of historical inevitability. Thus, when he lay down in front of hapless commuters on the bridges over the Potomac, he had no interest in changing the minds of these commuters, no concern over whether they became angry at the protesters or not. They were there merely as props, as so many supernumeraries in his private psychodrama. The protest for him was not politics, but theater; and the significance of his role lay not in the political ends his actions might achieve, but rather in their symbolic value as ritual. In short, he was acting out a fantasy.

(Italics original, bolding mine) Read the whole article

For a fantasist, neither taking effective action nor assessing the likely results of a proposed act matter. What matters is the fantasist's getting the opportunity to play the starring role in a morality play of his own devising.

Harris was writing about the motivations of the perpetrators of 9/11 and why they would choose to commit an act which anyone with half a brain could predict would backfire completely in terms of advancing any explicable political goal they might hold. However, I've come to hold the opinion that his "fantasy ideology" model can explain quite a bit of the behavior we see nowadays from "activists" of various kinds
 
I like the term: Cultural Vandalism

It's like the spray paint taggers, they see themselves as "artists" while the owner of the tagged property just sees them as criminals.
 
What I saw as a political act was not, for my friend, any such thing. It was not aimed at altering the minds of other people or persuading them to act differently. Its whole point was what it did for him.

Perfect!

TAM:)
 
I'll probably get some disagreement on this, but I think the "hecklivism" the Truthers are engaging in has been wildly successful in terms of getting them attention. The news media love this stuff because it offers both conflict and humor, and for reporters on the campaign trail (where many of the incidents have taken place), it offers a break from the tedium of reporting on yet another stump speech. Yes, the coverage is probably mostly critical, but the "Truthers" seldom get any other kind of coverage anyway
 

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