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Trump wins bigly in 2020. What then?

Trebuchet

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Just a thought experiment, I hope.
Assume:
Trump has a solid win in both the EC and popular vote.
Republicans get to 60 Senators.
Republicans retake the House.
Republicans increase their control of governorships and state legislatures.

What happens?
Constitutional amendment to remove presidential term limits?
Selling off the National Parks?
Declaring war on Ukraine?
Ok, maybe those are ridiculous. Or not. What do you think might happen?
 
Assuming the threat of impeachment/removal has subsided, I think there's a good chance he sells out the hard-core, true-believers to cut deals.
 
I don't think even that scenario would automatically enable the Republicans to amend the Constitution, would it?

But suppose that the Republicans were able to pass an amendment ending term limits, that in itself would not be a problem. It was an amendment that introduced term limits in the first place.

I think if Trump wins bigly in 2020, it'll be a symptom of a very serious disease - an extremely crappy electorate as well as an extremely crappy electoral system.
 
A solid win would require bigly expensive cheating. I doubt that Thrump and his henchies could refrain from embezzling most of the dirty money.

And the big guys don't like little guys cutting slices. There would be percussions.

I meant to say repercussions, but let it stand.
 
Trebuchet said:
Just a thought experiment, I hope.
Assume:
Trump has a solid win in both the EC and popular vote.
Republicans get to 60 Senators.
Republicans retake the House.
Republicans increase their control of governorships and state legislatures.

What happens?
Constitutional amendment to remove presidential term limits?
Selling off the National Parks?
Declaring war on Ukraine?
Ok, maybe those are ridiculous. Or not. What do you think might happen?
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We might have a war of sorts with Iran. Very limited conflict or with North Korea. Again very limited conflict. The Economy would continue to be good to mediocre at worst. No mass job losses. America first attitude would still be in place.

There would be problems caused by America's Socialists and violence and vandalism and assaults and looting from groups like Antifa but they would be the only ones causing trouble.

There might be stricter enforcement of America's gun laws. For instance, gun shows might not be allowed to just sell a gun without a background check.
 
Trebuchet said:
Just a thought experiment, I hope.
Assume:
Trump has a solid win in both the EC and popular vote.
Republicans get to 60 Senators.
Republicans retake the House.
Republicans increase their control of governorships and state legislatures.

What happens?
Constitutional amendment to remove presidential term limits?
Selling off the National Parks?
Declaring war on Ukraine?
Ok, maybe those are ridiculous. Or not. What do you think might happen?
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It's inconceivable that Trump could win the popular vote. Do you think he would actually pick up votes from people who voted for Clinton last time? But it's certainly conceivable that he could win the Electoral College, the Repubs would keep the Senate, and maybe -- maybe -- they could take back the House. The immediate outcome would be that there would be no restraints on whatever Trump wanted to do: No investigations, no threat of impeachment, no challenge of unfit appointees. A Constitutional amendment would require approval of three-quarters of the states. That would be a little iffy. But he could literally do just about anything else and get away with it.

Related articles:
Lawyers for President Trump argue that the president is immune from all criminal investigations in a new federal lawsuit seeking to block New York prosecutors from obtaining his tax returns.
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https://www.salon.com/2019/09/21/tr...inal-investigation-in-new-tax-return-lawsuit/

And also:
Donald Trump has repeatedly threatened not to leave office in 2021. During the 2016 presidential campaign Trump also threatened that he would not respect the outcome of the election if Hillary Clinton won. This is part of a much larger pattern of contempt for American democracy, the rule of law, and the U.S. Constitution by Donald Trump and his allies. He has threatened leading Democrats and other "enemies" with prison, attempted to silence and intimidate journalists, and has declared individuals and groups to be "treasonous" if they do not submit to his will.

Trump and his allies are already moving to delegitimate the 2020 presidential election by claiming that "illegal aliens" and "voter fraud" are part of a larger conspiracy by the Democrats and the news media who want to cause a recession to prevent him from being re-elected.
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https://www.salon.com/2019/08/26/tr...-always-find-a-way-to-win-take-him-seriously/
 
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Abortion rights would be gone for a generation, at least. I mean, we're not too far from that point as it is. If RBG is off the court while Trump is still president, it's as good as done.
 
Trebuchet said:
What happens?
Constitutional amendment to remove presidential term limits?
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Conservatives who talk about amending the constitution don't talk about removing term limits. They have very different priorities.

Selling off the National Parks?
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Trump is a populist. Why would he want to do that?

Declaring war on Ukraine?
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Oh... kay.

Ok, maybe those are ridiculous.
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Well, yeah.

I think it would end up much as his first term, as far as what he's trying to do, but maybe more success. So continuing trade tension with China, maybe more action on a wall with Mexico, increased sanctions on Iran, maybe repeal Obamacare, that sort of thing. The idea that he would spring something totally new doesn't really make sense.
 
Ziggurat said:
Trump is a populist. Why would he want to do that?
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Trump is a populist on the campaign trail only. You can find no one more elitist than someone who grew up a millionaire and lives in a golden apartment in NYC.

*Psssh* "Trump is a populist." :rolleyes:

As for why, it's the oldest reason in the world, and he's already done it once.

(Okay, he leased national park lands for various forms of oil and coal extraction. Still, not great for national park land.)
 
If those hypotheticals became realities, we'd see just the same crap as now. A rightist revolution? Not likely, given Tramp's cowardice and, more importantly, his complete lack of ideas.

But: A Republican win would free much worse criminals than Benito himself. I would predict, if our nightmare comes true, that Trunk, like Musso, would become less and less relevant, and more and more a (very ugly) figurehead.

I doubt that anybody would bother to remove him.
 
Upchurch said:
Trump is a populist on the campaign trail only. You can find no one more elitist than someone who grew up a millionaire and lives in a golden apartment in NYC.

*Psssh* "Trump is a populist." :rolleyes:

As for why, it's the oldest reason in the world, and he's already done it once.

(Okay, he leased national park lands for various forms of oil and coal extraction. Still, not great for national park land.)
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It wasn't national park land. It was public land. Do you understand the difference? Because it's important.
 
Mojo said:
I doubt that it’s important to Donnie.
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Since our aim is not to be ignorant in the same way as Trump, Zig's point is apt. Trump's administration did not allow leases of National Park lands, but something similar.

The issue is still significant, but it's not bad to correct misstatements.
 
I'm sorry. Trump did lease out national lands and tried to sell off national monument land. My mistake.

Still, is it implausible that Trump would if he could, especially if Trump stood to gain personally from it?


Heh. I'm still laughing at the idea of Trump being a populist.
 
Upchurch said:
Trump is a populist on the campaign trail only. You can find no one more elitist than someone who grew up a millionaire and lives in a golden apartment in NYC.

*Psssh* "Trump is a populist." :rolleyes:

As for why, it's the oldest reason in the world, and he's already done it once.

(Okay, he leased national park lands for various forms of oil and coal extraction. Still, not great for national park land.)
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Can you be a populist if you are unpopular in the election you won?
 
Mojo said:
I doubt that it’s important to Donnie.
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But it's important to a lot of other people. Even if Donnie wanted to (which hasn't been established), even if there's a solid Republican majority in both houses, there would be too much public opposition to that happening within a national park. People care about national parks more than they care about other public land. That's kind of the point of national parks.
 
Republicans will write articles about the demise of the Democratic party, and will look foolish when the Donks come back strong in the mid-term election of 2022. Democrats will wail and moan about this meaning the end of the world, and will look foolish when Trump hands over the keys to the White House to his successor, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
 
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