Trudeu vs. Paula Zahn

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Holy smoke. Right now, west-coast time, Paula Zahn is ripping multiple new orifices into Trudeau...

An example 'you have no medical training, you're a convicted felon, why should anybody listen to you'.

Another example 'crocodile protein? nobody should pay any attention that!"

No idea how it will end up, but so far it's a lynching.

Basically, she's going O'Reilly on him, interrupting him, etc.
 
jj said:
Holy smoke. Right now, west-coast time, Paula Zahn is ripping multiple new orifices into Trudeau...

An example 'you have no medical training, you're a convicted felon, why should anybody listen to you'.

Another example 'crocodile protein? nobody should pay any attention that!"

No idea how it will end up, but so far it's a lynching.

Basically, she's going O'Reilly on him, interrupting him, etc.
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I NEED TO SEE THIS!!!!!!!
 
KillerBob said:
Agreed.

Sure, she fires the occasional zinger, but overall, she lets his trademark barrage of logical fallacies go largely unchallenged.

So it's his opinion versus doctor's opinions. Hey, they're all just opinions! (As long as you don't count that pesky little critter called evidence)
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While it could have been better, it was a heck of a lot better than what most press presentations were. She was, at least, actively hostile, even though she did more play to the emotions than the logical part of the person, sadly that is how things often work. :(
 
Having now read the transcript (I missed the last half in order to type in the message) I really don't think she did poorly at all. She did appeal to authority, but in her case, not being an authority, that's not such a silly thing to do, because she appealed to RELEVANT authority, and she cut him off in mid-BS repeatedly.
 
You guys are being too harsh on Paula.

She's not a scientist or a doctor or even a thinker/scholar. Its not reasonable to expect her to have some kind of scientific debate with that fool Trudeau.

Did you expect her to produce a bunch of clinical trial data and attack him claim by claim? CNN would never produce a show like that, they go for the "short sexy stuff" not the gory details.

If you want somebody to attack Trudeau on scientific evidence, it will have to be somebody like Randi. No media personality is capable or even willing to do the job, even if they personally despise Trudeau. Furthermore, even if the media personality was willing to do it, their producer supervisors would never go for it because it would get bad ratings.
 
HopkinsMedStudent said:
You guys are being too harsh on Paula.

She's not a scientist or a doctor or even a thinker/scholar. Its not reasonable to expect her to have some kind of scientific debate with that fool Trudeau.

Did you expect her to produce a bunch of clinical trial data and attack him claim by claim? CNN would never produce a show like that, they go for the "short sexy stuff" not the gory details.

If you want somebody to attack Trudeau on scientific evidence, it will have to be somebody like Randi. No media personality is capable or even willing to do the job, even if they personally despise Trudeau. Furthermore, even if the media personality was willing to do it, their producer supervisors would never go for it because it would get bad ratings.
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Indeed, and what she did do was present the idea that she just didn't like what he had to say, cited authorities that said otherwise, and face it, she did dump all over his stuff, as did the voice-over.
 
HopkinsMedStudent said:
You guys are being too harsh on Paula.

She's not a scientist or a doctor or even a thinker/scholar. Its not reasonable to expect her to have some kind of scientific debate with that fool Trudeau.

Did you expect her to produce a bunch of clinical trial data and attack him claim by claim? CNN would never produce a show like that, they go for the "short sexy stuff" not the gory details.

If you want somebody to attack Trudeau on scientific evidence, it will have to be somebody like Randi. No media personality is capable or even willing to do the job, even if they personally despise Trudeau. Furthermore, even if the media personality was willing to do it, their producer supervisors would never go for it because it would get bad ratings.
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My biggest problem was that discussion on "opinions" that goes basically unchallenged. I just think she could have hammered him more on the difference between the "opinions" of a late night infomercial scheister and those of a doctor who can back his/her "opinions" with medical evidence.

Instead, I came away thinking that despite her jabs, he ended up looking like there wasn't much reason to think his opinions weren't any less plausible than the doctor's.

On the other hand, I'm right in the middle of trying to get everything done for Xmas and keep the family pleased at the same time, so I'm in my grumpy period. So agreeing that it was lame might have been overly harsh on my part.

Screw Santa...



ETA: I set the DVR to record it late last night, so when I get to see the actual back and forth, I may change my opinions again. ;)
 
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jj said:
While it could have been better, it was a heck of a lot better than what most press presentations were. She was, at least, actively hostile, even though she did more play to the emotions than the logical part of the person, sadly that is how things often work. :(
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You definitely have a point there.

I can picture what it would be like if the interview had been done by Larry King instead:

King: Mr Trudeau, you claim that you can basically debunk the modern medical establishment and instead offer your own home remedies that you say are not only safer, but also more effective.

With that in mind, the most obvious question that I and the rest of America would like to know the answer to is, Kevin, how do you keep your hair looking sooooooo good?




By the way, Kevin, does your book include any references on the benefits of delicious Welch's White and Concorde grape juice?
 
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But I'd sure miss listening to Kevin if he ever got yanked from the airwaves. Just like I would miss listening to Jack and Rexela Van Impe go on their Biblical rants how the end is nigh. Or Benny Hinn. And I also found it soothing to the soul to watch Bob Ross paint on PBS. My blood pressure would go down if I could watch stuff like Kevin, and Dr. Andrew Weil, and Jack and Rexela, and then capped off by watching reruns of Bob Ross saying about putting these pretty little clouds in the sky while he paints. (Didn't he die?)

And yes, Kevin has nice hair. And he's such a good smooth talker...in his infomercials. He acts like he really truly believes in what he says. He talks very excitedly. Reminds me of the enthusiasm I saw from Joe Newman when he was on Johnny Carson. (Someone else possibly misguided)
 
HopkinsMedStudent said:
You guys are being too harsh on Paula.

She's not a scientist or a doctor or even a thinker/scholar. Its not reasonable to expect her to have some kind of scientific debate with that fool Trudeau.
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I disagree. Zahn’s allowing Trudeau his “opinions” argument is symptomatic of a problem with much news reporting, namely the idea that all ideas are equal, everyone’s opinions count and the news media should just present both sides for balance. All opinions are not equal, some are just wrong. The fact that she agreed that a doctor’s views were just “opinions” shows she doesn’t understand that. She didn’t need to have a “scientific debate” – she should have just said, “no the doctor’s views are not opinions, they are conclusions arrived at from examining peer-reviewed, replicated clinical studies”. Not that hard, really.
 
Richard, I don't think it's reasonable to make that argument. Zahn repeated, over and over, things like "coming from a felon with no medical training" or "almost no medical training"...

She did question his right to make claims over, and over, and over, and over. I think that's not suggesting his ideas get the same weight as medical doctors.
 
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