Transparency in psychological manipulation? Here's what is not possible

[Senex]

I'VE started this thread because I opposed Callahan's beliefs and yet I had to read what that ninny Kitakate wrote and I wasn't about to agree with him by sitting on my hands.

No one can manipulate anyone through the written word given any use of arbitrary capitalization and extra spaces. Callahan may believe he can teach something or other through BS language skills but he can't manipulate people through written language. Manipulation exists, but it falls only under a particular umbrella that you could arm yourself against if you read books like Cialdini's.

No one can be manipulated by hypnosis or NLP if they wish not to be manipulated by them (that is to say they understand hypnosis or NLP is about to be performed on them and they disagree to let the placebo affect them. Hypnsis and NLP is a placebo -- as is anything Callahan has to offer.

Please disagree with me if you disagree.

Or please offer your own story how you exposed the woo of hypnosis or NLP.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Kitakaze may disagree about the ninny part.

 

[Senex]

Kitakaze may disagree about the ninny part.

Kitakaze conceded his ninnyness through his silence.

I take the position that it is not possible to subliminally influence anyone using text. I think it is an interesting issue and an issue worthy of being discussed on this site. Callahan, and evidently other people reading his posts, believe (well, Callahan may be disingenuous) that misspelled words (my spelling is lousy, but I'm not claiming my mistakes were intentional) and non-standard use of capitalization and extra spaces between letters can influence others in a way that a reader may be unaware of. My argument is that if subliminal influence was possible we would all be subjugated by the person who figured out how to use this influence the best. I'm not subjugated. I'm popping yet another beer. Life is good. If these Budweiser people ever get to trying to manipulate me there is always those honest fellows selling Miller and our Canadian friends selling Molsen or our Mexican friends selling Corona would never even think about manipulating a strong-willed fellow like myself.

Subliminal influence does not exist.

 

[Jim Callahan]

Kitakaze conceded his ninnyness through his silence.

I take the position that it is not possible to subliminally influence anyone using text. I think it is an interesting issue and an issue worthy of being discussed on this site. Callahan, and evidently other people reading his posts, believe (well, Callahan may be disingenuous) that misspelled words (my spelling is lousy, but I'm not claiming my mistakes were intentional) and non-standard use of capitalization and extra spaces between letters can influence others in a way that a reader may be unaware of. My argument is that if subliminal influence was possible we would all be subjugated by the person who figured out how to use this influence the best. I'm not subjugated. I'm popping yet another beer. Life is good. If these Budweiser people ever get to trying to manipulate me there is always those honest fellows selling Miller and our Canadian friends selling Molsen or our Mexican friends selling Corona would never even think about manipulating a strong-willed fellow like myself.

Subliminal influence does not exist.

Good for you!

Best wishes,

Jim

Senex, You make me smile and I say thanks.

 

[Senex]

Good for you!

Best wishes,

Jim

Senex, You make me smile and I say thanks.

I'm glad I made you smile Jim. I suspect you're a nice person but you do promote the woo and I don't believe that is a nice way to make a living. My point about the beer companies wasn't that their advertising actually worked on a subliminal level - my point was more on a sad level that addiction can blind you to what is true. The truth is I'd drink unadvertised Commie beer if that was the only beer available.

""Good for You!" wasn't really appropriate. It was a dark truth I was trying to convey.

 

[Azrael 5]

Just to remind Jim of the other thread where a test of yet another ridiculous one of his claims is awaiting his attention.

 

[Jim Callahan]

I'm glad I made you smile Jim. I suspect you're a nice person but you do promote the woo and I don't believe that is a nice way to make a living. My point about the beer companies wasn't that their advertising actually worked on a subliminal level - my point was more on a sad level that addiction can blind you to what is true. The truth is I'd drink unadvertised Commie beer if that was the only beer available.

""Good for You!" wasn't really appropriate. It was a dark truth I was trying to convey.

I promote the woo?

Woo who?

I promote my creations nothing and skills nothing more.

Never do encourage others to follow anyone or anything.

Best Wishes,

Jim

 

[Hitch]

I promote the woo?

Woo who?

I promote my creations nothing and skills nothing more.

Never do encourage others to follow anyone or anything.

Best Wishes,

Jim

What exactly do you create?

 

[Senex]

I promote the woo?

Woo who?

I promote my creations nothing and skills nothing more.

Never do encourage others to follow anyone or anything.

Best Wishes,

Jim

If you allow that you were as successful on everything as you claimed
and your advertisement about whatever was true -- how can you deny you didn't encouraged others to follow in your woo? Why wouldn't others follow in your successful ablilities?

You're a mentalist. Nothing wrong with that as long as you don't use knowledge of woo to take advantage of others on a spiritual level. You have attempted that and I'm sorry you did.

You're a woo. You fit the definition of a woo.

 

[Jim Callahan]

If you allow that you were as successful on everything as you claimed
and your advertisement about whatever was true -- how can you deny you didn't encouraged others to follow in your woo? Why wouldn't others follow in your successful ablilities?

You're a mentalist. Nothing wrong with that as long as you don't use knowledge of woo to take advantage of others on a spiritual level. You have attempted that and I'm sorry you did.

You're a woo. You fit the definition of a woo.

Were is the definition so that I might confirm this.

In addition were have I taken advantage of anyone on a spiritual level?

Yes I create things that become reality but how is that spiritual?

-J im

 

[Ashles]

Were is the definition so that I might confirm this.

In addition were have I taken advantage of anyone on a spiritual level?

Yes I create things that become reality but how is that spiritual?

-J im

I'm not up on this claim.

Why does Jim write all silly?

Does he (*attempting not to snigger*) claim this affects how people think, react or behave?

Please tell me he doesn't?

 

[JFrankA]

I'VE started this thread because I opposed Callahan's beliefs and yet I had to read what that ninny Kitakate wrote and I wasn't about to agree with him by sitting on my hands.

No one can manipulate anyone through the written word given any use of arbitrary capitalization and extra spaces. Callahan may believe he can teach something or other through BS language skills but he can't manipulate people through written language. Manipulation exists, but it falls only under a particular umbrella that you could arm yourself against if you read books like Cialdini's.

No one can be manipulated by hypnosis or NLP if they wish not to be manipulated by them (that is to say they understand hypnosis or NLP is about to be performed on them and they disagree to let the placebo affect them. Hypnsis and NLP is a placebo -- as is anything Callahan has to offer.

Please disagree with me if you disagree.

Or please offer your own story how you exposed the woo of hypnosis or NLP.

I do stage hypnosis. But I have been known to do hypnosis through text. How? Well, there's a perfectly simple, non-woo and obvious explaination: confusion.

You're right to a point, Senex. Text hypnosis or NLP won't work if the subject doesn't want it to. But throw in some confusion, along with confidence and ambiguity, then it is possible to sway a person to be more open to a suggestion.

A simple example:

U WILL stll b abl 2 undrSTAND ths sentnce tho the UPpr lettrz r mxd.

However, even though you can still understand the above sentance, you have to slow down a bit and be distracted from "normal reading" in order to process it. That's where the confusion lies. And I'm sure the more astute of you will see the suggestion in that sentance. Now I realize that this is a rather simple example of the idea behind it, but it illistrates the point.

Confusion is a powerful tool for magicians (and hypnotists, and con men, etc), and it can happen in any media that the subject has to focus on. Video, audio, text, doesn't matter. Have a subject focus on something that confuses him, he will be distracted trying to process it, add some assertion, confidence, ambiguity and maybe some imagery, and the subject can be tricked into following a suggestion.

Plus, with weird spellings or upper/lower case usage, it's very easy to be ambiguous. Usint it as a "I didn't mean that, I meant this" tatic can add to confusion. Also, it's a good way to go back and cover your tracks.

Bottom line is this. As you said, Senex, if you are aware of what's going on and don't want a suggestion to happen, it won't. You were just missing that one piece of information about confusion.

 

[Ashles]

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A simple example:

U WILL stll b abl 2 undrSTAND ths sentnce tho the UPpr lettrz r mxd.

However, even though you can still understand the above sentance, you have to slow down a bit and be distracted from "normal reading" in order to process it. That's where the confusion lies. And I'm sure the more astute of you will see the suggestion in that sentance. Now I realize that this is a rather simple example of the idea behind it, but it illistrates the point.

Erm, that is ridiculous.
I did not at all notice the 'hidden' message in the sentence until you pointed out there was a hidden message. Then it was obvious.
At no point did I feel the urge to do that.

Please provide an exampe where you have performed hypnosis through text.

Frankly I find the idea of that laughable. Can you provide any evidence whatsoever that people can be manipulated in such a manner?
This sounds like a myth along the lines of subliminal imagery.

 

[Gilmar]

U WILL stll b abl 2 undrSTAND ths sentnce tho the UPpr lettrz r mxd.

Thanks for the example. I'm definitely influenced by stuff like that. Influenced to not bother to try to read it. Is this the written equivalent of those "Influence girls subliminally" dating books?

 

[JFrankA]

Erm, that is ridiculous.
I did not at all notice the 'hidden' message in the sentence until you pointed out there was a hidden message. Then it was obvious.
At no point did I feel the urge to do that.

Please provide an exampe where you have performed hypnosis through text.

Frankly I find the idea of that laughable. Can you provide any evidence whatsoever that people can be manipulated in such a manner?
This sounds like a myth along the lines of subliminal imagery.

That's the point, though, Ashles. That was just an example: just to give you the idea behind it, which is to confuse someone enough with weird spellings, words, double meanings, etc, so that someone could be more open to suggestion.

I'm not saying it's a sure-fire way of working, what I am saying is that confusion is used by magicians and con-men alike. And that's all that this technique is: confusion, ambiguity and assertive language in the hopes of that it would make the reader more open to suggestions.

That's all.

Please let me clear something up. Before I do a show, I tell my audience that all hypnotism is just like going to the movies. You sit there in a darkened room, in a comfortable chair, and if the movie is good, you laugh at the funny bits, you feel sad when the main charactor is sad, you heart pumps faster at the car chase, etc, and all this happens without you noticing the guy eating his popcorn loudly a couple of rows ahead of you.

It's simple focus, desire and imagination.

Again, I tell my audience this before I do the induction. I tell them this because I want to make it clear I am just entertaining them, that I have no powers, that I can't help them lose weight, meet girls, be smarter, etc. And hypnosis is not any magical cure-all. I make this clear.

Getting back to the weird-text thing, just substitute movies with book. It's the same idea. But again, as I have stated, if someone doesn't want it to happen, if they know what is happening, it won't have any effect on them whatsoever.

Now I've done it to some people, but again, that's because they wanted it to, and they weren't prepared for the confusion I threw at them. No magic, no special techniques, just confuse the person enough to suggest something they are open to do anyway.

At the very least, this type of writing is attention grabbing.

 

[Hitch]

Were is the definition so that I might confirm this.

In addition were have I taken advantage of anyone on a spiritual level?

Yes I create things that become reality but how is that spiritual?

-J im

You "create things that become reality"?

I'm sorry, I speak(read) skeptic and not whatever it is that you're writing there. That statement makes no sense. Can you try to rephrase that in language I can understand?

 

[Jeff Corey]

I predict he can not.

 

[JFrankA]

Thanks for the example. I'm definitely influenced by stuff like that. Influenced to not bother to try to read it. Is this the written equivalent of those "Influence girls subliminally" dating books?

That's exactly it, Gilmar! You got it.

The best thing to do when someone types like that is to ignore it.

As to those "influence girls subliminally" dating books, yes, it's exactly the same thing.

 

[Jim Callahan]

You "create things that become reality"?

I'm sorry, I speak(read) skeptic and not whatever it is that you're writing there. That statement makes no sense. Can you try to rephrase that in language I can understand?

Sorry for not taking the time to explain in greater depth.
I create reality as I see fit for performance purposes.

The desired reality is outlined then scripted, edited and re-worked over many months and sometimes years.
However it is intended to be persistent not short term like a movie, play or book.

It is a unique type of entertainment fueled by the viewers willing participation.
It is really not much different than the old text program that simulated an interaction with a psychologist on your computer.
(Was it called doctor Watson? I am not sure this is going back maybe 15 years)

Of course I use hardwired directives to create some of this stuff.
But I really do not see were that is an evil thing.
It is just using information the same as any other business or government might.


Best Wishes,

Jim

 

[Hitch]

Sorry for not taking the time to explain in greater depth.
I create reality as I see fit for performance purposes.

The desired reality is outlined then scripted, edited and re-worked over many months and sometimes years.
However it is intended to be persistent not short term like a movie, play or book.

It is a unique type of entertainment fueled by the viewers willing participation.
It is really not much different than the old text program that simulated an interaction with a psychologist on your computer.
(Was it called doctor Watson? I am not sure this is going back maybe 15 years)

Of course I use hardwired directives to create some of this stuff.
But I really do not see were that is an evil thing.
It is just using information the same as any other business or government might.


Best Wishes,

Jim

Oh. So you don't create "paranormal events?" The psychic channeling of Raymond Hill and talking to the dead is all just part of a cheesy magic act? Why didn't you say so?