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Top 10 Connections between NIST and Nanothermite

RedIbis

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Looks like Waterboy opened up another hydrant of stupid. Clearly, there is no such thing as "Sol-gel nanothermites, [...]often called energetic nanocomposites, metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) or superthermite."

And there certainly are no connections between the industry that produces these products, NIST, or the 9/11 Commission.

Obviously, if anyone would be in a position to recognize if nanothermites were used, it would be NIST. So when they told us they didn't look for evidence of explosives because it wasn't there, they closed the case on this one.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf
 
I just noticed the date on the pdf. If this has been posted before, my apologies.
 
Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?
 
Looks like Waterboy opened up another hydrant of stupid. Clearly, there is no such thing as "Sol-gel nanothermites, [...]often called energetic nanocomposites, metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) or superthermite."

And there certainly are no connections between the industry that produces these products, NIST, or the 9/11 Commission.

Obviously, if anyone would be in a position to recognize if nanothermites were used, it would be NIST. So when they told us they didn't look for evidence of explosives because it wasn't there, they closed the case on this one.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf

1) No explosives / ther* - dogs checked it out



Post by tfk

BTW, just one more (of about 6) definitive proofs of "no themite, no explosives"...

But, IMO, a superb proof.

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/...howComment=1240395840000#c6101665985354960506

wardogs said...

Thank you Ron for both your patience and equanimity in dealing with this subject.

I am owner and trainer of a K9 training and deployment company in FL. We have been breeding, training and deploying our purpose bred explosive detection and SAR dogs for over 40 years as well as training K9's for the Military, LE and private industry.

In addition we are a FEMA Incident Response Team/First Responder K9 unit for FEMA Task Force II, Miami.

It was in the latter capacity that we were went to NY on 9/11 as part of the FL Task Force, arriving on scene about 3 1/2 hours after the second tower fell. We went with 4 of our dogs and handlers. Our main function was US&R, live person, (not cadaver search) but all of our dogs are cross trained in several disciplines, including EDD and Incendiary detection. In addition, of the over 300 K9 teams that came from all over the world, there were more than 70 other EDD K9's present on site. This is on top of the 6 full time EDD dogs employed full time at the WTC site, 3 of which I had trained personally. Besides the presence of the normal team that patrolled in shifts 24/7, there had been an ADDITIONAL team of 16 explosives interdiction K9's on duty for several weeks prior to the attack. They were there in response to bomb threats against the center (unrelated) and had only been removed 5 days prior to the attack. 6 of those dogs were also trained by our company.

No explosives or incendiary devices were planted anywhere in that complex. None. Our dogs and the other EDD K9's would have alerted after the fact as well. It's what they are trained for. We staged for the two weeks we were there at the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island. This is where much of the structural steel was brought. Despite rumors to the contrary, chain of custody was maintained and virtually all of the steel was cataloged and vital pieces were inspected. Not a single dog ever alerted to the presence of either explosives or incendiary residue.
Not one.

...

I'm not a scientist, but I am an expert on explosives/incendiaries, their use and detection both before and after detonation. I've testified as an expert witness more than 70 times at court proceedings on explosives detection, K9 training protocol and K9 scent differrention capability.

No explosives or incendiaries were present at the Trade Center on 9/11.
__

Tom

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2) WTC1,2 debris removed at site and all handsorted at Fresh Kills - no evidence of chords, detonators etc by anyone, onsite or off.

3) No evidence of explosively damaged perimeter or core column assemblies.



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Still Utterly Completely Entirely Conclusively Wrong.

Again.
Give It Up.


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You can't reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into - Swift
 
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I just noticed the date on the pdf. If this has been posted before, my apologies.

Ah yes, the infamous Kevin Ryan Nanothermite Paper of 2008. Who could forget that tumultuous summer after this bombshell was dropped? The worldwide support it received, the blitz of media coverage, the riots, the overthrowing of governments.... It is truly a landmark in the annals of sociopolitical history and scientific thought. In short, it changed the world.

Meanwhile, back in reality, no one paid any attention to nonsense on a conspiracy theorist website, and over a year later RedIbis went rummaging through the Truther Dumpster to post it in another one of his stupid "I dare you to debunk it" threads.
 
Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?

If there is something more stupid, a Truther will find it.
Everytime I say "This is it. You cannot get any more stupid then this", the Truthers manage to surprise me......
 
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Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?

Exactly. Look at this stupid quote.


“The sol-gel process is very amenable to dip-, spin-, and spray-coating technologies to coat surfaces. We have utilized this property to dip-coat various substrates to make sol-gel Fe,O,/ Al / Viton coatings. The energetic coating dries to give a nice adherent film. Preliminary experiments indicate that films of the hybrid material are self-propagating when ignited by thermal stimulus”
(Gash et al 2002).
 
How does this thread tie in to your professed lack of belief in 9/11 being an inside job, Red?

Dave
I could be wrong but I think Red is attempting to employ sarcasm, wit, irony and other advanced elements of human communication. He's trying to make a claim without the baggage usually associated with making a claim.
 
Does it get any more stupid than spray-on nano-thermite?


I prepared a sol-gel ceramic years ago in my work and one of the key aspects of preparation was that after coating the substrate, the sol (solution) had to be dried or fired to drive out the solvent. The firing had to be done in a controlled fashion in order to get the desired microstructure, you couldn't just let it sit at room temperature or hit it with a hair dryer. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol-gel a few paragraphs down for more on the drying step.

The idea that a sol-gel material could be applied to the steel in the WTC and then properly fired is ridiculous on so many levels I don't know where to start. Vaporizing hundreds of pounds of solvent in an office building with no one noticing is only one of the problems.

So the answer to your question, WildCat, is no, not much.

ferd
 
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Exactly. Look at this stupid quote.
The "stupid" part comes not from the existence of such material in a lab, but the idea that every square inch of the WTC was sprayed with this stuff, nobody said anything or noticed anything suspicious, and that it was capable of destroying the towers. Again, without anyone noticing that, for example, a steel truss was on fire.

Incredibly, unbelievably, unfathomably stupid. And I've only scratched the surface as to why.
 
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1) No explosives / ther* - dogs checked it out



Post by tfk

BTW, just one more (of about 6) definitive proofs of "no themite, no explosives"...

But, IMO, a superb proof.

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/...howComment=1240395840000#c6101665985354960506

wardogs said...

Thank you Ron for both your patience and equanimity in dealing with this subject.

I am owner and trainer of a K9 training and deployment company in FL. We have been breeding, training and deploying our purpose bred explosive detection and SAR dogs for over 40 years as well as training K9's for the Military, LE and private industry.

In addition we are a FEMA Incident Response Team/First Responder K9 unit for FEMA Task Force II, Miami.

It was in the latter capacity that we were went to NY on 9/11 as part of the FL Task Force, arriving on scene about 3 1/2 hours after the second tower fell. We went with 4 of our dogs and handlers. Our main function was US&R, live person, (not cadaver search) but all of our dogs are cross trained in several disciplines, including EDD and Incendiary detection. In addition, of the over 300 K9 teams that came from all over the world, there were more than 70 other EDD K9's present on site. This is on top of the 6 full time EDD dogs employed full time at the WTC site, 3 of which I had trained personally. Besides the presence of the normal team that patrolled in shifts 24/7, there had been an ADDITIONAL team of 16 explosives interdiction K9's on duty for several weeks prior to the attack. They were there in response to bomb threats against the center (unrelated) and had only been removed 5 days prior to the attack. 6 of those dogs were also trained by our company.

No explosives or incendiary devices were planted anywhere in that complex. None. Our dogs and the other EDD K9's would have alerted after the fact as well. It's what they are trained for. We staged for the two weeks we were there at the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island. This is where much of the structural steel was brought. Despite rumors to the contrary, chain of custody was maintained and virtually all of the steel was cataloged and vital pieces were inspected. Not a single dog ever alerted to the presence of either explosives or incendiary residue.
Not one.

...

I'm not a scientist, but I am an expert on explosives/incendiaries, their use and detection both before and after detonation. I've testified as an expert witness more than 70 times at court proceedings on explosives detection, K9 training protocol and K9 scent differrention capability.

No explosives or incendiaries were present at the Trade Center on 9/11.
__

Tom

===================================================
2) WTC1,2 debris removed at site and all handsorted at Fresh Kills - no evidence of chords, detonators etc by anyone, onsite or off.

3) No evidence of explosively damaged perimeter or core column assemblies.



===================================================

Still Utterly Completely Entirely Conclusively Wrong.

Again.
Give It Up.


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You can't reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into - Swift


Dogs are so awesome. I need to start calling Truthers out using this point because I think it might actually be beneath Truthers to say that the dogs were part of the inside job.
 
I just noticed the date on the pdf. If this has been posted before, my apologies.
It is great when you post dirt dumb stuff from the frauds who dumb down 9/11 for those who can't understand reality. That is the most anti-intellectual journal I have seen. Good job exposing paranoid nut case conspiracy dolts. Nice job.
 
"... like a fairy tale, just made it up"
"Zing!"
"And now ladies and gentlemen for your viewing pleasure, today's number 1 top 10 connection to thermite and the guys at NIST"
"Any guess Paul? Just take a guess"
"No idea Dave"
"None Paul?"
"Not a clue Dave"
"The number 1 connection between thermite and NIST......."
"Faulty logic, faulty logic ladies and gentlemen"
"I knew that Dave"
 

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