Tom Cruise is "Very Wise man"

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Following on from David Beckham's move to LA ...

And Beckham revealed that he had spoken to actor Tom Cruise about his decision to move to the US.

"I was on the phone to him (Cruise) for about an hour last night (Thursday) and an hour the night before," said Beckham.

"Obviously I asked him for his advice because he is a very wise man and a very good friend of mine. It's going to be a big help for us to have friends when we arrive in LA."


I wonder how long before Cruise invites Becks to partake of Scientology's hospitality and Celebrity Centre ....?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6256125.stm
 
Forrest Gump is wise in comparison to Beckham

Brings to mind a Monty Python skit about a Rugby (I think) player. John Cleese played the player, doing an interview on some talk show. I think Eric Idle was the interviewer. The bit that comes to mind is I believe a "teaser" bit where they announce something to the effect of "Stay with us as (Cleese' charactures name) says" scene showing Cleese's character on his back on the floor saying "I fell out my chair xxxx(Idle's chars. name).

OK, you have to see it to appreciate it, but it's funny! Trust me! :D
 
Brings to mind a Monty Python skit about a Rugby (I think) player. John Cleese played the player, doing an interview on some talk show. I think Eric Idle was the interviewer. The bit that comes to mind is I believe a "teaser" bit where they announce something to the effect of "Stay with us as (Cleese' charactures name) says" scene showing Cleese's character on his back on the floor saying "I fell out my chair xxxx(Idle's chars. name).

OK, you have to see it to appreciate it, but it's funny! Trust me! :D

Thanks for that...

Now I have to open my beloved 16 ton mega set to try to find that skit. And, yeah, it's funny :)

And when it comes to celebrities, I find that their intelligence isn't always proportional to how famous they are...
 
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Forrest Gump is wise in comparison to Beckham
More to the point, pdough or killklown may be wise compared to Cruise or Beckham
(and it hurts to use wise and any of those 4 names in the same sentence).
 
I want to play soccer often while getting paid obscene amounts of money which along with beauty products I will contribute to spreading the sport I love. Am I not wise?
 
The Beckhams are more likely to get into bed with Kabballox than Scientology, IMHO, although I suspect they will do neither. They are far too media savvy to put all their eggs in one religious basket.
 
Right. A guy who's following the bollixed up writings of a failed science fiction writer is "wise."

I think Beckham's taken one too many hits to the head, media savvy or not.
 
Right. A guy who's following the bollixed up writings of a failed science fiction writer is "wise."

I think Beckham's taken one too many hits to the head, media savvy or not.

Both Posh and Wossname are chavs.
 
Actually, you could be onto something, Curnir.

Still, just thinking about this makes my head hurt.

I'll take two copies of Dianetics and call Xenu in the morning.
 
Right. A guy who's following the bollixed up writings of a failed science fiction writer is "wise."

I think Beckham's taken one too many hits to the head, media savvy or not.

Have you ever spoken to Tom Cruise about moving to America for your career? No? Well how do you know if he's wise or not? He's certainly a very rich actor and businessman and one of the most influential people in Hollywood, so when it comes to the advice that the Beckhams would find useful, I expect his wisdom in those areas is unsurpassed.

Or perhaps you think one's choice of religion negates any other capacity for thought or business acumen?

Beckham isn't commenting on Cruise's wisdom in religious choice.
 
Have you ever spoken to Tom Cruise about moving to America for your career? No? Well how do you know if he's wise or not? He's certainly a very rich actor and businessman and one of the most influential people in Hollywood, so when it comes to the advice that the Beckhams would find useful, I expect his wisdom in those areas is unsurpassed.

Or perhaps you think one's choice of religion negates any other capacity for thought or business acumen?

Beckham isn't commenting on Cruise's wisdom in religious choice.

It could be argued that one's choice in religions reflects one general mental abilities.

For instance, I would be hesitant to follow the advice of someone that believed we are inhabited by the souls of dead intergalactic beings that were blown up by atom bombs, in volcanoes, in an attempt at population control.

Now, I like Tom's movies! I think he's a good actor, in the role types that I enjoy him in anyway.

But, I have to wonder how much greater influence his religion is having on his everyday life, considering his recent departure from the fold at Paramount Pictures .

Anyway, I agree with you that until recently, he has shown a remarkable ability to win friends and influence people, and "Play the Game" in Hollywood. :)
 
It could be argued that one's choice in religions reflects one general mental abilities.

That's dangerous ground, because in America at least, most people are religious believers. Are they all mentally impaired? My personal opinion is that Scientology brainwashes so it's not so much a matter of 'belief' as, say Christianity.

There are many, many reasons people fall into irrational beliefs. Many people on this forum are ex-believers, even ex-Scientologists. Are you saying their mental abilities are impaired? There have been many brilliant thinkers in history who were also religious, does that mean secretly they are stupid and the other stuff about them is made up?

You can be very wise in one aspect and blind in another. Mostly, it's called being human. I don't want dismiss an entire person just because they have a belief I don't agree with. Imagine if my hiring policy was based on such prejudice.

But, go ahead, show me the link between mental abilities (shall we measure that by IQ? Academic acheivement? you pick) and type of religious belief. You say it could be argued, I'm looking forward to hearing you argue it.
 
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I want to play soccer often while getting paid obscene amounts of money which along with beauty products I will contribute to spreading the sport I love. Am I not wise?

No, you are smart. Wise and smart are not the same thing!
 
But, go ahead, show me the link between mental abilities (shall we measure that by IQ? Academic acheivement? you pick) and type of religious belief. You say it could be argued, I'm looking forward to hearing you argue it.

Here's an interesting (but brief) meta-study which shows that lower intelligence tends to correlate to more religious belief... I've heard similar studies mentioned too.

Not sure how this might stand to rigorous scrutiny were it to be controlled for other factors (wealth, geography etc.) but it's interesting nonetheless!
 
That's dangerous ground, because in America at least, most people are religious believers. Are they all mentally impaired? My personal opinion is that Scientology brainwashes so it's not so much a matter of 'belief' as, say Christianity.

There are many, many reasons people fall into irrational beliefs. Many people on this forum are ex-believers, even ex-Scientologists. Are you saying their mental abilities are impaired? There have been many brilliant thinkers in history who were also religious, does that mean secretly they are stupid and the other stuff about them is made up?

You can be very wise in one aspect and blind in another. Mostly, it's called being human. I don't want dismiss an entire person just because they have a belief I don't agree with. Imagine if my hiring policy was based on such prejudice.

But, go ahead, show me the link between mental abilities (shall we measure that by IQ? Academic acheivement? you pick) and type of religious belief. You say it could be argued, I'm looking forward to hearing you argue it.

I generally agree with all that you say. And I'd be the least able to argue against your overall point of view.

My point is more about Tom's recent problems with the rich and famous. It appears to me that He has slipped somewhat more into the dark side if you will. Now, is this a result of brainwashing? I certainly believe there is some of that in Scientology.

The fact is that within the "church" itself, as I understand it, the galactic stuff doesn't become known until you have reached a fairly high level in their structure. For all I know, unless he learned about it from outside sources, he may not even be aware (or not believe the stories) of the alien crap. But regardless, his recent actions (the last couple of years) indicate IMHO, that he is becoming more under the influence of the church, to his detriment.

As for the correlation between religious beliefs and general mental abilities I'll first say that mental abilities is probably a poor choice of words on my part. And I'm not sure what words best describe the meaning I intend. Let's try Frame of mind? That doesn't really sound right either. Perhaps general mental/emotional stability is what I'm looking for. I don't see a belief in a god as meaning someone is stupid, or crazy. I do suspect that going overboard, and deeply into any religion, to the point of becoming less functional in society at large is a sign of possible problems. Whether those problems are mental or emotional I don't know. I lean in the direction of emotional, but I'm not sure where the distinction is drawn between the two.

As you said, many people with obviously a high degree of mental ability have been religious people. But, how many of those same people have been so deeply into their respective religions that they could not function normally in society? I know that there have been monks throughout history that have made brilliant discoveries, and if I understand the monastic lifestyle, they would have removed themselves from the general society. That alone doesn't mean that they couldn't function within society though.

I fear that Tom is slipping more away from US and more toward THEM. With luck, he'll wake up, and see just how silly the beliefs of the church he has chosen is.

In any event, I hope to see more great movies from him. But I won't be ringing him up to ask his advice on anything ;)
 
Beckham could think Tom Cruise is "wise" because Tom is able to get USD$20M per movie, while Beckham (so far) is only getting USD$20M per year.
 
Beckham could think Tom Cruise is "wise" because Tom is able to get USD$20M per movie, while Beckham (so far) is only getting USD$20M per year.
Actually, his salary from the Galaxy will only be $10m a year, but, taking into consideration his cut of the colossal jersey sales, cut of the ticket sales, and all other endorsements, I suspect he's making more on the order of $50-100m a year.
 
I wonder how long before Cruise invites Becks to partake of Scientology's hospitality and Celebrity Centre ....?

When I lived in that neighborhood I used to frequent the cafe across the street from the Celebrity Centre. (The entire adjacent comercial block was rumored to be owned by the Church, but the businesses were strictly civilian, as far as I could tell)

One day a friend and I decided to explore the Celebrity Centre grounds, since it had once been a famous old Hollywood hotel before the Scientologists took it over. We crossed the street and went in the main entrance, then wandered about unattended for several minutes before being approached by a very attractive young woman in what looked to be a vaguely Naval uniform (they all wore Naval uniforms [i.e. "dress blues"], something to do with a sub-cult called "The Sea Org"). She was very friendly to the point of being flirtatious, and offered to take us on a tour of the place, which, my friend and I (being a couple of horny young dogs at the time) accepted.

She showed us a couple of the luxury suites on the top floor which appeared comparable to Four Seasons/Ritz Carleton style accomodations, explaining that celebs like Tom Cruise often stayed there. While walking through the gardens we spotted a half dozen people wearing jeans and t-shirts raking the grass, their heads shaved bald. When we asked about it, our guide explained very matter-of-factly that they were being punished for some transgression, but the punishment was accepted voluntarily on their part.

At one point she led us into the basement of the building, which the Scientologists had modified to go down an extra few stories into sub-levels (I think there were 3, and one of them included a health club). All the electrical, heating and climate control equipment looked brand-new, and there were stacks of emergency supplies lining the corridors.

The whole thing reminded me of a Bond film where he's being shown around the mad villain's underground lair, (and indeed, there were various uniformed people scurrying around with clipboards, etc.) and as we went deeper into various sub-levels my friend and I began to joke that perhaps we'd never see the surface again.

But eventually we did go back upstairs to the ground floor and ended up in an office where she sat us down and gave us "the pitch", the highlight of which was a demo of the E-Meter. (I remember thinking "THIS is their highly-touted scientific instrument?". It was made of cheap red plastic!) You held the two sensors in your hands, and when the needle of the meter went up it was supposed to be measuring something (which she explained using a lot of ridiculous mumbo jumbo). When I said, "But this is just measuring the electrical resistance of the skin" she did not like it too much and quickly terminated our little tour. Needless to say, we did not convert that day, and some weeks later we noted they put up high fences around the Centre to prevent idle wanderers from wasting their time. :)
 
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