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To Bee ...or not to Bee

Jack by the hedge said:
How much are the varroa mites paying you?
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I'm remunerated in the form of a involuntary tithe imposed on the honeybee (tithe-10% of the per diem pollen production) imposed upon
each 10 million expired apian workers of which I collect a full U.S. one MIL for my services rendered to mother natures artificial selection agenda.
 
Fonebone said:
Yep Yep Move along Move along Nothing to see here...
https://www.todayifoundout.com/inde...ested-biological-warfare-on-its-own-citizens/
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But San Fransisco was far from alone; between 1949 and 1969, the U.S. Military deliberately exposed dozens of American cities and millions of ordinary citizens to potentially harmful bacteria and chemicals, all in the name of national security. This is the shocking story of one of the largest programmes of human experimentation in American history.
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"Potentially" harmful chemicals and bacteria. Nope. No measured effect. Alarmism. Or more accurately, shir-stirring.
 
Fonebone said:
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I, too, am one of those who lacks both the time and the inclination to sit through yet another YT video, especially one of the 'breathless and paranoid' variety.
Would you mind summarising the evidence the vid provides to support the claim that bees are being intentionally exposed to mites as part of a 'war on food'?
By the way, do the Evil Them behind this latest claim of skulduggery not have to eat? Why destroy your own food source? Is this explained in the video as well?
 
I'd need to double check but I thought I had read that Australia recently gave up on the harsher measures they had in place to try to keep Varroa from gaining a foothold, because they were getting so much spread that it was clearly not going to stop the little f'rs.

Beekeepers are dealing with Varroa as best they can and the mites are definitely a huge drag on hive health but this year I've heard more beekepers worried about imidacloprid use on crops/crop seeds, getting into plants, and from there stressing and killing hives. Sounds like an 'overhyped pesticide' problem in that, ignoring its effects harming bees/insects, it doesn't seem to increase yield but everybody's gotta have it anyway. Naughty Bayer.
 
Lithrael said:
I'd need to double check but I thought I had read that Australia recently gave up on the harsher measures they had in place to try to keep Varroa from gaining a foothold, because they were getting so much spread that it was clearly not going to stop the little f'rs.

Beekeepers are dealing with Varroa as best they can and the mites are definitely a huge drag on hive health but this year I've heard more beekepers worried about imidacloprid use on crops/crop seeds, getting into plants, and from there stressing and killing hives. Sounds like an 'overhyped pesticide' problem in that, ignoring its effects harming bees/insects, it doesn't seem to increase yield but everybody's gotta have it anyway. Naughty Bayer.
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My state's response: contain and overcome.

 
Hmm...

I have heard that hard-core vegans won't eat honey, or any crop that is fertilised by bees, because these things are cases of humans exploiting animals.

Similarly PETA would rather euthanasia animals than have any animal owned or kept by any human.

So...

It's possible that someone could be deliberately injuring hives, however, that person would have to be incredibly radicalised to their cause.

It seems unlikely to me.

(Especially at any kind of scale.)
 
And vegetables are plants exploited by humans. So, by rights, vegans should only eat rocks.
Norman Alexander said:
I don't think that's what vegans are. ;)
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I may have misstated above when I said 'hard-core' vegans won't eat honey.

I'm seeing a lot of sites claiming that the majority of vegans won't eat honey, and some saying that the same concerns apply to using beeswax.

Once only, I have met a person who called himself a 'fruitarian' because he only ate fallen fruit (or at least that was his claim).

He lived in Queensland, where that may be more practical, but at the time, I thought he didn't look particularly healthy.

(And yes, I'm aware of the jokes about unhealthy looking people working in Health Food shops.)

As an indifferent observer, I'd suggest that being a vegan is probably a lot of work.
 
novaphile said:
And vegetables are plants exploited by humans. So, by rights, vegans should only eat rocks.
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Actually, there's an argument to be made that plants are exploiting us. What a species wants to do is reproduce, and crops like rice and wheat have become enormously successful, covering vast areas of ground as a result of their relationship with us. We spend a lot of time clearing ground to plant them, feeding them, watering them and protecting them from pests and competition fom other plant species, which is exactly what the plants want.
 
Well I never imagined a bee hive as a slave labour concentration camp before. So that's new.

Seriously though like most agriculture I think of it as symbiosis. Even the animals we eat are amongst the most successful species on the planet because our species want there to be so many of them.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Video summary: Longbeard "natural" farmer and his wife(?) rail against safeguards protecting beehives from the varroa mite which is devastating national bee populations. They get the facts wrong, because they don't accord with their religious beliefs.

So now we can all get some sleep.
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So the usual wingnut bollocks? Quelle surprise.....
 
novaphile said:
Hmm...

I have heard that hard-core vegans won't eat honey, or any crop that is fertilised by bees, because these things are cases of humans exploiting animals.

Similarly PETA would rather euthanasia animals than have any animal owned or kept by any human.

So...

It's possible that someone could be deliberately injuring hives, however, that person would have to be incredibly radicalised to their cause.

It seems unlikely to me.

(Especially at any kind of scale.)
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The only vegan I’ve known made an exception for honey, partly because of them fertilizing so many vegetables, etc, and that they produce more than they need. The vegan husband of another acquaintance wouldn’t eat candy corn because it’s made with honey, but I suspected he just didn’t like candy corn.
 
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