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If someone goes back in time, even if he does nothing there, he changes the whole world with the butterfly effect. Because it affects the people around it first, they affect others and spreads like dominoes to the world.

I mean, there is no traveling back in time. If there were, each visit would change the whole world in the long run.

Peace
 
Emre_1974tr said:
If someone goes back in time, even if he does nothing there, he changes the whole world with the butterfly effect. Because it affects the people around it first, they affect others and spreads like dominoes to the world.

I mean, there is no traveling back in time. If there were, each visit would change the whole world in the long run.

Peace
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Or, all possible worlds exist simultaneously in an infinite number of timelines.

You're welcome. :w2:
 
Emre_1974tr said:
If someone goes back in time, even if he does nothing there, he changes the whole world with the butterfly effect. Because it affects the people around it first, they affect others and spreads like dominoes to the world.

I mean, there is no traveling back in time. If there were, each visit would change the whole world in the long run.
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How do you know it hasn’t been changed?
 
I love time travel stories. (Well, not so much in weekly sci-fi TV series, unless that's the premise.)

I am at the ultimate conclusion that "If it could be done, it will already have been done." (or, "It's already been done".)

Or, if alternate universes are created, there's no way for us to know because this is the one we're in.
 
Overall, I think the butterfly effect is misunderstood. It doesn't say what people think it does. Just because a small effect in one place may have huge implications elsewhere, doesn't mean it will. Similar to "if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound if no one is there?"

Small changes in a big system can be overwhelmed by the totality of forces at play. If you spit into a hurricane, you're not going to change the effect of the hurricane. OTOH, leaving your apartment a minute later might prevent your death. Chaos reigns, and you can't predict what will or won't affect things.

Plus, as already mentioned, we'll be blissfully unaware of any changes to time anyway, so who cares?
 
I believe that the parts of human history that are important to us are very sensitive to the exact people who were involved in those events. And which people exist is very sensitive to which particular sperm ended up fertilizing an egg. Physically interacting with a man would probably be enough to cause all of their future descendants to be different people. And the descendants of anyone those people interacted with would also be different people causing a spreading cone of change.

So just bumping into someone on the street in ancient Rome would make for a totally different population and society in the present day.
 
It's an interesting science fiction thought experiment, but it has zero to do with the "butterfly effect" which specifically deals with chaos theory and non-linear dynamic systems. It's a very real scientific effect, as opposed to the philosophical 'what if i could go back and kill my father' type queries...
 
Emre_1974tr said:
If someone goes back in time, even if he does nothing there, he changes the whole world with the butterfly effect. Because it affects the people around it first, they affect others and spreads like dominoes to the world.

I mean, there is no traveling back in time. If there were, each visit would change the whole world in the long run.

Peace
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That's your opinion. What is it based on? Have you accounted for the quantum-level 'fuzziness' of reality? Why do you considered that time is not only plastic but chaotically so?
Show your research.
 
Back in 2007 there was a short-lived time travel TV series called "Journeyman". In one episode the main character traveled back to 1984 and accidentally left a modern digital camera behind. Someone found it and reverse engineered it, resulting in him returning home to a world with significantly more advanced computer technology.
More importantly for him, a problem with the computer systems at work five years earlier caused him to work late when he originally didn't, he and his wife conceived their child a day later than they had originally, and he found that he now had a daughter instead of the son he remembered.
 
Armitage72 said:
Back in 2007 there was a short-lived time travel TV series called "Journeyman". In one episode the main character traveled back to 1984 and accidentally left a modern digital camera behind. Someone found it and reverse engineered it, resulting in him returning home to a world with significantly more advanced computer technology.
More importantly for him, a problem with the computer systems at work five years earlier caused him to work late when he originally didn't, he and his wife conceived their child a day later than they had originally, and he found that he now had a daughter instead of the son he remembered.
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There was also a film ("About Time," I think?) where the character could go back in time and change things as himself (meaning he would go back to his younger body.) He went back too far one time and changed his children.
 
There is no such thing as Time.
Everything happens everywhere all at once. And you can see that if you just get the right amount of inebriated m
 
TheGoldcountry said:
Overall, I think the butterfly effect is misunderstood...
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The butterfly effect is summed up by the phrase sensitive dependence on initial conditions which means small changes in a beginning state produce large results over time.

And yes, this can indeed be applied in some versions of time travel fiction. You go back in time, try your hardest not to change anything, but that twig you stepped on and broke that hadn't been broken in the original timeline results in big changes when you return to your own time.

But there are other applications of time travel in fiction where you can't change the present by messing with the past, because in the present, you already messed with the past, and the present takes that into account. TVTropes calls this the Stable Time Loop.
 
arthwollipot said:
But there are other applications of time travel in fiction where you can't change the present by messing with the past, because in the present, you already messed with the past, and the present takes that into account. TVTropes calls this the Stable Time Loop.
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One of the best examples IMO is the first Terminator film. Skynet sending the terminator back in time to prevent John Connor being born is not only what causes him to be born, it's also what ensures he'll be in possession of all the information he needs to defeat Skynet.
 
Pixel42 said:
One of the best examples IMO is the first Terminator film. Skynet sending the terminator back in time to prevent John Connor being born is not only what causes him to be born, it's also what ensures he'll be in possession of all the information he needs to defeat Skynet.
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In terms of Hollywood Science level of time travel, T1 made sense (up until you explained otherwise!), T2 I thought was even more flawed, in that the terminators couldn't have been invented without it going back in time, so how could they have come back in time at all? A throw away comment that blemished an otherwise perfect film.

T3, while a far inferior film, made sense in that the events in T2 simply postponed the development. Humans had the idea to build these things, and there was always going to be more experts to work out how to make them. The only person of any consquence involved in Skynet that died was Miles Dyson, but there was a while team involved that was at home went the building went bang.
 
Coincidentally, one of the top ten jokes from this year's Edinburgh Festival is: "I spent the whole morning building a time machine. That's four hours of my life I'll definitely get back."

Dave
 
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