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Thoughtful responses to this H1N1 poster:

Kuko 4000

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So, as the title suggests, I would appreciate thoughtful responses to this poster. It is usually linked by antivax people to show that the H1N1 does not demand vaccinations.
 
first thought, how many deaths would there be without the vaccine? The virus could spread rapidly, killing a lot of people in it's wake.
 
Carey, what with the scarcity of the vaccine, it hasn't had much effect on the death rate yet. It will take a year's worth of data to show the benefit.

I think I have to say that I can understand the anti-faxers point.

What is the concept? QALY/cost ?

But I suppose my HMO will have some flu vax into me in a couple hours. I've got a muscle ting to see them about.
 
They seem to be saying that because more people die of other things, it's not worth the effort to save the 5000+ lives that have already been lost, and however many more will be in the coming months. That might be valid if resources put into this vaccine were taken away from efforts to combat other causes of death, but there's no indication of that.

Hard to be thoughtful in response to a poster that is trivializing the loss of almost six thousand lives.
 
More people die from the common cold than H1N1 flu, yet why are people theorizing, almost to the point, that the government created this horrible "disease"? Those people probably believe that the common cold was also brought here by aliens! :rolleyes:
 
Kuko 4000 said:
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So, as the title suggests, I would appreciate thoughtful responses to this poster. It is usually linked by antivax people to show that the H1N1 does not demand vaccinations.
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"Hello Ms. Smith. I see that you have hepatitis. We do have an effective treatment for this, but since many more people die of cardiovascular disease than die of hepatitis, it doesn't make any sense for us to bother treating you."

I gotta say, this makes my job way easier.

Linda
 
My understanding was that it wasn't so much about the deaths, but more about the loss of productivity - no one has an immunity to this yet, and so it could spread fast and take out a lot of people in a very short space of time...

Also - someone's mentioned this - that death rate is based on having and using the vaccine. How many would be dead without it?
 
Wow, I guess the war in Iraq and Afghanistan are more trivial than I thought in comparison to all the "hype" :rolleyes:

Not all deaths are created equal. It is much more traumatic to have a loved one die from violence(crime, war, etc) than say, something like heart disease in their old age. Along those same lines, it is much more traumatic on families to have flu deaths among the young as opposed to the old.
H1N1 is having a greater impact on society than seasonal flu for a number of reasons.
 
vIQleS said:
My understanding was that it wasn't so much about the deaths, but more about the loss of productivity - no one has an immunity to this yet, and so it could spread fast and take out a lot of people in a very short space of time...
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Afaik, some of the older population have immunity.
 
Gee, we are wasting millions to prevent a mere 5,850+ deaths. :rolleyes:

If I had the ability, in no particular order: I'd ban hand guns and mandate every motor vehicle safety option we had be used. I'd offer needle exchange programs and free clinics for STDs in every city in the world. Abortions would be safe free and legal, universal health care in every nation would be the norm, the entire world's population would have access to clean water, adequate nutrition and safe birth control as well as the best maternity care available. Men who threatened women would be jailed and depending on the severity of the threat, as long as for life in prison. The majority of the world's wealth would go into research aimed entirely at making human life better rather than into making the top 1% of the world's population richer. War would be replaced with economic development which makes war obsolete.

But since I don't control the world, I'll at least promote vaccinations whenever possible. In the mean time, here's an interesting poll my son emailed me about just today:

Members of Congress who want health care reform should sneeze every time they talk about it.

Last May, University of Michigan psychologists Spike W. S. Lee and Norbert Schwarz sent an experimenter out to shopping malls and downtown business areas to see if people would rather have the federal government spend $1.3 billion on the production of flu vaccines, or $1.3 billion to create "green" jobs. The experimenter got responses from about 50 people. In about half the cases, she coughed and sneezed once before handing over the questionnaire. In the other instances, she simply handed the form over.

The result: of the people who had just witnessed a sneeze up close and personal, 47.8% said that $1.3 billion should be spent on vaccine development. Of the people who had not been a party to the sneeze, 16.7% thought flu vaccines were the way to go.
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Careyp74 said:
How many people died from the common cold in the past 300 days?
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There is no single organism responsible for "the common cold". It's like saying how many people died today from the 200 known organisms that cause upper respiratory infections? The answer, a lot.
 
MetalSeagull said:
That's just what I was wondering. Deaths from seasonal flu are conspicuously absent. How are these deaths being categorized, and how do they compare to H1N1?
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Currently in the US, seasonal flu is not circulating. Almost every influenza culture is coming back as 2009H1N1. Flu typically arrives in January, however. We have a number of months to go before we will know what this year's flu season has in store for the Northern hemisphere.
 
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