This is sick. A free homepage for Charles Ng

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http://www.ccadp.org/charlesng.htm

This organization provides free homepages to death-row inmates.

In case you don't know what this worthless waste of human skin did, Google for him and Leonard Lake. They abducted women, kept them as sex slaves, and then tortured and killed them. They videotaped much of this, and I've even soon some short clips from the video tapes.

There is no question about Ng's guilt.

It is sick and pathetic to be giving him a free homepage. If someone's opposed to the death penalty, then fine. Be opposed to it. But when you start giving free homepages to the likes of NG, you have crossed the line into giving some sort of support to a "thing" that can't even be considered a human being.
 
Freakshow said:
http://www.ccadp.org/charlesng.htm

This organization provides free homepages to death-row inmates.

In case you don't know what this worthless waste of human skin did, Google for him and Leonard Lake. They abducted women, kept them as sex slaves, and then tortured and killed them. They videotaped much of this, and I've even soon some short clips from the video tapes.

There is no question about Ng's guilt.

It is sick and pathetic to be giving him a free homepage. If someone's opposed to the death penalty, then fine. Be opposed to it. But when you start giving free homepages to the likes of NG, you have crossed the line into giving some sort of support to a "thing" that can't even be considered a human being.
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I'd rather not look if you don't mind.

In out PC world you are suggesting limitations on his speech, expression and access to the press. At least. The lawsuits would boggle the mind.
 
Ed said:
I'd rather not look if you don't mind.

In out PC world you are suggesting limitations on his speech, expression and access to the press. At least. The lawsuits would boggle the mind.
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I am suggesting no such thing. I am not suggesting that this not be allowed to happen.

I am suggesting that the people that provide this web page to him are pathetic pieces of garbage. But they are still free to exercise their free speech and demonstrate that to the rest of us.
 
But he is such a gentle person - origami no less.[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][/FONT]
 
Metullus said:
But he is such a gentle person - origami no less.
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Yes, so gentle. I've seen the actual video of one of their sex slaves handcuffed to a chair, while Ng took a knife and cut her bra off. I've also seen the video of another one of their slaves forced to strip to her panties and give Ng a massage. Both women were later tortured and killed.

But this anti death penalty organization thinks they are serving such a NOBLE cause by giving Ng his own free home page. Sick...

ETA...I know you were being sarcastic with the "gentle" comment.
 
and he's lonely and wants friends.

Interesting. I thought this organization was about helping the wrongly convicted.

Thanks for the link.
 
TruthSeeker said:
and he's lonely and wants friends.

Interesting. I thought this organization was about helping the wrongly convicted.

Thanks for the link.
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You are welcome. That is precisely why I made this thread. Some organizations are not quite what they claim or appear to be.
 
Ng's web page reminds me of that Seinfeld episode about yadda-yadda-yadda-ing the important parts out of a story.

"I was born December 24th 1960 and raised in Hong Kong in a traditional Chinese family, but have the spent the majority of my adult life in North America. I graduated from high school in England. Yadda-yadda-yadda, I am currently the only Chinese prisoner on California's Death Row."
 
There seem to be two styles. Like Ng, where no mention is made of the crime. Or where the details of the crime and why the person is innocent are laid out in exacting detail.

I haven't read any that accept responsibility or express remorse. I'm sure they are there, just haven't found them.

I am against the death penalty but I do feel the details of the crime the of which the person has been convicted be available so that vulnerable people looking at this website will be aware of what these people may have done. The whole issue of befriending deathrow inmates fascinates me, but that is another thread.
 
You know Freakshow, I understand why you posted it, so please don't misunderstand, but I wish the hell that you hadn't because I was very happy not having to think of that smug SOB.
 
Metullus said:
You know Freakshow, I understand why you posted it, so please don't misunderstand, but I wish the hell that you hadn't because I was very happy not having to think of that smug SOB.
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I understand. But that was the point of posting it. First, get sick/angry/upset/depressed/disturbed about Ng...and then ask yourself why this anti-death penalty group finds it suitable to provide him with a free homepage. What purpose does it serve? What does it accomplish? Why do they do this?

It calls their motives into question. I find that more left-leaning causes (such as environmentalism, and gun-banning) don't get enough scrutiny over their motives. Their motives aren't always what they appear to be.

In this case, I am not so sure that this groups's motivations have to do with being concerned with executing people who may be innocent, and might not even have to do with whether or not the death penalty is cruel punishment. When they cross the line to giving Ng a free homepage, then maybe it is reflective of an overall larger view of just being opposed to any harsh punishment for crime, a disregard of victims' suffering, a view that the criminals are not fully responsible for their actions, and possibly an overall moral relativistic view, even when concered with torture, rape, and murder. That is a totally different view than just saying "We might execute innocent people", and it isn't necessarily even fully explained by "It is too cruel to execute someone".
 
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Freakshow said:
I understand. But that was the point of posting it. First, get sick/angry/upset/depressed/disturbed about Ng...and then ask yourself why this anti-death penalty group finds it suitable to provide him with a free homepage. What purpose does it serve? What does it accomplish? Why do they do this?
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I thought that was fairly obvious.

The motive is to try and humanize the people who are waiting to be killed by the state. The logic behind it is that if more people realized that the people who are waiting to die are actually human beings, with feelings and stuff, they might reconsider their support of the death penalty.

(Disclaimer: While I'm opposed to the death penalty, I don't see much merit in giving Ng a website. If anything, I think it's dangerous, as I can easily see some naive young person drawn into communication with someone--like Ng--whose capability of psychological, emotional, and physical abuse is beyond measure.)

Freakshow said:
It calls their motives into question. I find that more left-leaning causes (such as environmentalism, and gun-banning) don't get enough scrutiny over their motives. Their motives aren't always what they appear to be.
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Actually, most often their motives are exactly what they appear to be, they're just "called into question" by political opponents who are trying to paint them with a more sinister brush.

Freakshow said:
In this case, I am not so sure that this groups's motivations have to do with being concerned with executing people who may be innocent, and might not even have to do with whether or not the death penalty is cruel punishment. When they cross the line to giving Ng a free homepage, then maybe it is reflective of an overall larger view of just being opposed to any harsh punishment for crime, a disregard of victims' suffering, a view that the criminals are not fully responsible for their actions, and possibly an overall moral relativistic view, even when concered with torture, rape, and murder. That is a totally different view than just saying "We might execute innocent people", and it isn't necessarily even fully explained by "It is too cruel to execute someone".
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Well....not everybody who opposes the death penalty oppose it because "we might execute innocent people." Some people oppose it on moral grounds; they feel that it's morally wrong to take a life, whatever the individual might have done. Others oppose it because they see a racist tinge to it; the majority of those on death row are people of color. Still others oppose it, yes, because "we might execute innocent people." Some oppose it because of all of the above, and more besides.
 
Cleon said:
Actually, most often their motives are exactly what they appear to be...
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I don't believe that to be the case for either left-leaning OR right-leaning causes.

But then, I am one of the most extraordinarily cynical people you are ever likely to meet.
 
Cleon said:
The logic behind it is that if more people realized that the people who are waiting to die are actually human beings...
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But not all of them are. Ng isn't. I don't know what he is, but he isn't human. Neither was Leonard Lake. Thankfully, that garbage-pile downed cyanide rather than go through the legal system.
 
Men will be trained to hate Western culture.

(I am not off-topic.)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/theater/images/clockwork_big.jpg

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American, may I ask you politely to post links to pictures like that? It might well cause people problems if they're using a computer in a library or a school. For the record I think it's an excellent movie - I saw it twice before it got banned - Yep, I'm really that old.......
 
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