This is NOT Dubya's National Guard

Mephisto

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There is no safety in today's National Guard. Today's national guard troops as well as the Reserves don't have the luxury of sitting out a war. Many units have seen more combat than similar units in the 60s and 70s. There is no "safe-haven" any longer whereby sons of politicians and the rich can sit out combat - please think about them on Veteran's Day.

Nat'l Guard Units Face 2nd Tours in Iraq

Nov 10, 8:51 PM (ET)

By LOLITA C. BALDOR

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon is developing plans that for the first time would send entire National Guard combat brigades back to Iraq for a second tour, the Guard's top general said in the latest sign of how thinly stretched the military has become.

Smaller units and individual troops from the Guard have already returned to Iraq for longer periods, and some active duty units have served multiple tours. Brigades generally have about 3,500 troops.

The move - which could include brigades from North Carolina, Florida, Arkansas and Indiana - would force the Pentagon to make the first large-scale departure from its previous decision not to deploy reserves for more than a cumulative 24 months in Iraq.

For some units, a second tour would mean they would likely exceed that two-year maximum. The planning was described by Lt. Gen. H. Steven Blum, who commands the Guard, in an Associated Press interview this week.

In a related move, the Pentagon is preparing to release a list of active units - and perhaps reserves as well - scheduled to go to Iraq that would largely maintain the current level of forces there over the next two years, another senior defense official said on Thursday. There are about 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq.

That official requested anonymity because the plan has not been made public. The Pentagon routinely notifies units to prepare for deployment, knowing it is easier to cancel a move overseas than to suddenly make such a large troop movement.

It was not clear whether this week's resignation of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld would affect deployment plans. President Bush has selected former CIA chief Robert Gates, who has criticized U.S. policy in Iraq, to replace Rumsfeld, but he has not yet been confirmed by the Senate.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061111/D8LAIPEG0.html
 
Another fallout from this Iraq adventure is that many people in the future will be very hesitant to join the guard or reserve after seeing what's happening now.

Charlie (kudos to the vets and active personnel today) Monoxide
 
There is no safety in today's National Guard. Today's national guard troops as well as the Reserves don't have the luxury of sitting out a war. Many units have seen more combat than similar units in the 60s and 70s.

Source:

During the Vietnam war, almost 23,000 Army and Air Guardsmen were called up for a year of active duty; some 8,700 were deployed to Vietnam.

There's no draft today, and regular Army recruitment has plummeted during the Iraqi campaign (for obvious reasons). NG and AR troops are used today because neither Congress or DoD want the draft back. Too many problem cases come with it.

More NG and AR troops may have been sent to Vietnam if there was no draft then, if there was no Czech invasion in '68, and if we didn't have so many riots and political BS going on at home during that era.
 
The vast majority of Republicans still support the war, yet they have trouble recruiting? You'd think those super patriots would be leaping at the chance to set aside their briefcases, leave their SUV's behind, and server!

What's stopping them?
 
The vast majority of Republicans still support the war, yet they have trouble recruiting? You'd think those super patriots would be leaping at the chance to set aside their briefcases, leave their SUV's behind, and server!

What's stopping them?

They're probably too busy drinking the blood of the innocent and fulfilling the requirements of other stereotypes.
 
The vast majority of Republicans still support the war, yet they have trouble recruiting? You'd think those super patriots would be leaping at the chance to set aside their briefcases, leave their SUV's behind, and server!

What's stopping them?

Age, at least for some. Yet I read a story a couple of years ago (that I can't find anymore) of a Hispanic NCO in his late 50's who earned 5 or 6 Purple Hearts during a few tours in Vietnam (nearly getting one of his arms sliced off by a NVA bayonet) in the National Guard (finishing up another retirement pension) who was deployed to Iraq, had a grown son there, too, and was busted by an IED to the tune of loosing the sight in one eye (along with a myriad of other serious injuries).

Pin another on the guy.

He said something to the tune of never imagining he'd be getting another PH pinned on his chest at his age.

Folks, that's one tough SOB.

BTW, today is Veteran's Day.

Just thought I'd give it a plug.
 

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Age, at least for some. Yet I read a story a couple of years ago (that I can't find anymore) of a Hispanic NCO in his late 50's who earned 5 or 6 Purple Hearts during a few tours in Vietnam (nearly getting one of his arms sliced off by a NVA bayonet) in the National Guard (finishing up another retirement pension) who was deployed to Iraq, had a grown son there, too, and was busted by an IED to the tune of loosing the sight in one eye (along with a myriad of other serious injuries).

Pin another on the guy.

He said something to the tune of never imagining he'd be getting another PH pinned on his chest at his age.

Folks, that's one tough SOB.

BTW, today is Veteran's Day.

Just thought I'd give it a plug.
Semper Fi to that marine.

In the UK, today is Remembrance Day. In Flanders' Field, the poppies grow . . . in Canada do, I think.

Wear a poppie today.

DR
 
Yet we seem to have more than our fair share of whining pissants who post here that believe what they enjoy required no costs, and will require no more. :(
 
Yet we seem to have more than our fair share of whining pissants who post here that believe what they enjoy required no costs, and will require no more. :(

We also seem to have a few whining pissants here who won't let a day of tribute pass without spewing deceit and venom.
 
We also seem to have a few whining pissants here who won't let a day of tribute pass without spewing deceit and venom.
:rolleyes: Is plain old venom ok? I note you don't complain about the venom directed at George Bush so I guess you only have a problem with the deceit, right?
 
Let's see, Mephisto is a vet, are you?
Learning arabic ok? If not, I suspect Zep is ready to assist. Prayer rugs worn out yet? Is the wifey fetching in her burka? Do you and Fool attend the same Mosque?


For fishbob: :rub:

Go fish. ;)


Re Mephisto and 'nam I can offer only regrets for the lack of political will, and be happy he returned.
 
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:rolleyes: Is plain old venom ok? I note you don't complain about the venom directed at George Bush so I guess you only have a problem with the deceit, right?

Who deserves venom more than a soldier who can't even prove that he finished out the "cushy" non-combat assignment his father won him through political connections?

You can bet the soldiers who are returning from Iraq only to go AWOL at the chance of another tour will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, whereas our fearless leader (who is responsible for a whole NEW generation of disabled veterans) simply had his military records sealed and deemed OFF LIMITS by the Pentagon.

Talk about deceit!
 
You & I agree all politicians are scum, or at least we haven't scratched one who wasn't. Add that to committees of group-think, and here we are, and were in Vietnam.
 
You & I agree all politicians are scum, or at least we haven't scratched one who wasn't. Add that to committees of group-think, and here we are, and were in Vietnam.

I agree wholeheartedly. It's my personal crusade to ensure that our soldiers don't get committed to useless wars on a whim, but especially those started by politicians who couldn't even serve honorably themselves.
 
Our difference, today, is "what should have been done re Saddam, and by extension the middle east".

Has Bush been successful? It looks like a 'no'. Will a Democrat congress and Baker-Gates-etal be an improvement?
 

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