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Example: "Raiders of the Lost Ark"

Which of the world's known governments (did or would do) today or historically is/was likely to be sending, or have sent, their forces out across the world looking for old stuff whether on land (like antartica) or underwater?

Such as govt forces looking for old stuff mythical or not across world.

As seen in "Raiders of the Lost Ark", for example.

What do historians have to share on this?
 
According to various cranks the NWO, Da Joos, Rothschilds, or the Illuminati, etc. might be unknown governments.

As to the OP - governments sponsor archeologists all the time. And sometimes governments are the beneficiaries of treasures obtained by private collectors. But as to whether they are doing so in order to obtain priceless objects of spiritual importance or power, I think we can say - "no".
 
Is there any substantiation to the common SF trope that Hitler was a bit of an occultist and tried to conjure up some magic superweapon in the failing days of WW2?

He did have his fingers in a lot of pies at the time, so I guess it's possible that some of them were digging for woo.
 
Bubba said:
Which of the world's known governments (did or would do) today or historically is/was likely to be sending, or have sent, their forces out across the world looking for old stuff whether on land (like antartica) or underwater?

Such as govt forces looking for old stuff mythical or not across world.

As seen in "Raiders of the Lost Ark", for example.

What do historians have to share on this?
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I know of several secret governments that have done such things.

Send me $100.00 and I will tell you all of the details.
 
Evidently Scotsman Lewis Spence, my favorite 20th-century occult author, first propounded the notion of Nazi occult obsession in 1940. People have been scrambling to find evidence for it ever since, but it appears to be largely circumstantial and exaggerated.
 
Then there's the expeditions sent off looking for El Dorado, and all the effort that went into finding Egyptian tombs after that. No mysticism there; just greed.
 
It's not hard to link the Nazis to occult stuff, given that Himmler was a bit obsessed with Norse mythology and even had stuff like the black sun symbol on the floor of the Wewelsburg castle / SS HQ.

To come back to the OP question, Himmler was also obsessed with archaeology to prove the superiority of the Aryan race. Well, Hitler was for it too, but Himmler took the obsession to such extremes that eventually Hitler himself called him out on it.

At any rate, the most prominent archaeological organization was Ahnenerbe (literally, "ancestor inheritance"). Which did send expeditions to such places outside the Reich's borders as Sweden, Bolivia, Tibet and the middle east. They also sent a (failed) commando mission to seize a manuscript by Tacitus from Italy, after Italy surrendered to the Allies.

So, yes, they did send archaeological expeditions all over the place.

Mind you, as you'd expect from ideological fanatics, there was a LOT of pseudo-science and pseudo-history involved. E.g., the expeditions to the middle east tried to prove that the crisis cycle and power struggle in the classic age in the Roman empire were some ancestral struggle between the germanic Romans and the semitic populations in the East. E.g., in Tibet they were less concerned with actual archaeology and more with measuring hundreds of skulls to prove that the aryans in the past were smarter than the other populations there. Etc.

But nevertheless, they did send the expeditions. For questionable science, but they sent them.

They were also fairly obsessed with anything related to judeo-xianity. Mostly the judeo part, but the SS was more fond of norse neo-paganism than of xianity too. They obsessed over such artifacts as the (probably fake, as it resembles a nordic hewing spear more than a greco-roman lance) Holy Lance in the Vienna museum.

IF there had actually been a believable clue to the location of the holy ark, I think it's not too unbelievable that the Nazis could have sent an expedition there too.
 
Dang, I see DDT beat me to it again. That's what I get for taking ages to write a long message :p
 
Bubba said:
Which of the world's known governments (did or would do) today or historically is/was likely to be sending, or have sent, their forces out across the world looking for old stuff whether on land (like antartica) or underwater?

Such as govt forces looking for old stuff mythical or not across world.

As seen in "Raiders of the Lost Ark", for example.
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That's item 23, for 20 points.
 
Please, please, please don't do this to me. I'm beginning to lose my faith in the History Channel. :scared: :cry1
 
ddt said:
I disagree. Himmler was very high on occultism. His organization Ahnenerbe sent out numerous expeditions, especially to search for the origins of the Aryans.
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HansMustermann said:
It's not hard to link the Nazis to occult stuff, given that Himmler was a bit obsessed with Norse mythology and even had stuff like the black sun symbol on the floor of the Wewelsburg castle / SS HQ.

To come back to the OP question, Himmler was also obsessed with archaeology to prove the superiority of the Aryan race. Well, Hitler was for it too, but Himmler took the obsession to such extremes that eventually Hitler himself called him out on it.

At any rate, the most prominent archaeological organization was Ahnenerbe (literally, "ancestor inheritance"). Which did send expeditions to such places outside the Reich's borders as Sweden, Bolivia, Tibet and the middle east. They also sent a (failed) commando mission to seize a manuscript by Tacitus from Italy, after Italy surrendered to the Allies.

So, yes, they did send archaeological expeditions all over the place.

Mind you, as you'd expect from ideological fanatics, there was a LOT of pseudo-science and pseudo-history involved. E.g., the expeditions to the middle east tried to prove that the crisis cycle and power struggle in the classic age in the Roman empire were some ancestral struggle between the germanic Romans and the semitic populations in the East. E.g., in Tibet they were less concerned with actual archaeology and more with measuring hundreds of skulls to prove that the aryans in the past were smarter than the other populations there. Etc.

But nevertheless, they did send the expeditions. For questionable science, but they sent them.

They were also fairly obsessed with anything related to judeo-xianity. Mostly the judeo part, but the SS was more fond of norse neo-paganism than of xianity too. They obsessed over such artifacts as the (probably fake, as it resembles a nordic hewing spear more than a greco-roman lance) Holy Lance in the Vienna museum.

IF there had actually been a believable clue to the location of the holy ark, I think it's not too unbelievable that the Nazis could have sent an expedition there too.
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Yes. Serious answers. Cool. Refreshing. Thanks.

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